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    Nine months later...

    Is everyone happier now? Huh? HUH?

    NOBODY to vote for (worth voting for)...

    What a sad state of affairs. :(


    Let's start over, this didn't turn out good at all for the country.

    At times like this, it is voting for the lessor of two evils. McCain is the lessor, but not by much. :(

    If it were just about guns... ah, that is easy. Obama is against everything we believe in, and it is getting to close for comfort with just a few days left. The country sure does NOT need him.

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    I like Separatist, Isolationist Ron Paul?
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    I agree McCain is not ideal; but he is exponentially better then Gun Ban Obama...
    http://gunbanobama.com/

    One thing that makes McCain much more palpable is Governor Sarah Palin!

    She is like a female Governor Mike Huckabee!

    She waxed (I Wrote the original Clinton Assault Weapons Ban) Senator Joe "Gun Grabbing" Biden soundly last night in their debate...

    the Biden Gaff machine did not disappoint...

    Governor Palin has a Perfect record supporting the Second Amendment, life time hunter, firearm collector... A rated by the NRA and GOA!

    Governor Palin is a proven reformer, whom went after members of her own party to make the right kind of change...
    http://rightchange.com/

    Plus she has experience as a City Council Woman, Mayor, Energy Commissioner, Governor and small business owner...

    Heck she has more executive experience then anybody on either ticket!

    Further, both Biden and Obama have only been Senators; and have not even run a grocery store and do not even have managerial experience; let alone ANY EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE!
    McCain does not have defacto executive experience either; but he has been a member of both the House and Senate and commanded the largest air wing in the Navy and has served his country longer then Obama has been alive! Moreover, McCain has shown his true character better then anybody could; when as a son and grandson of two 4 star Navy Admirals he was offered early release from the Hanoi Hilton prison camp in Vietnam...
    AND REFUSED!

    Obama has never authored a single piece of legislation; McCain has been a part of every major piece of U.S. legislation in the last 20+ years...

    Without a doubt I do not agree with McCain on everything, heck almost anything; but he has earned the title Maverick and proven reformer and has a record of crossing party lines to get things done; neither Obama nor Biden have EVER CROSSED PARTY LINES...

    Check Biden's record; his is 30 years of Obama's record...
    Biden voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Supreme Court Justices that stood up for the Second Amendment...

    Both Biden and Obama refused to sign and submit briefs in support of Parker-Heller...

    McCain FILED HIS BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT!

    I think Governor Palin is the single person on either ticket that most represents the Average American and their values...

    Having Palin on the ticket gives me real HOPE, that once McCain is out we will have a President that we can agree with on the majority of issues...

    In the words of Hillary Clinton... "John McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the office of the President, I would bring a lifetime of experience; Barack would bring a speech he wrote in 2002".

    In the words of Joe Biden, Obama's running mate... "The Office of the President does not lend itself to on the job training" and when asked directly in a democratic debate Joe Biden reaffirmed it!

    You might support Obama IF:
    http://www.youmightsupportobamaif.com/index.htm

    If you fail to vote for McCain-Palin or you do not vote; YOU ARE VOTING FOR Obama-Biden...

    Remember, how we ended up with Slick-Willie Clinton!
    Ross Perot took 15% of the vote which gave the election to Slick-Willie...

    If people had not voted 3rd party in that election the first Bush would have won; and we would not have had the largest gun bans in u.s. history, and there would have been no 911... to say the least...
    Last edited by Bohemian; 10-03-2008 at 09:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    I agree McCain is not ideal; but he is exponentially better then Gun Ban Obama...
    Gun Ban Barack Obama

    She waxed (I Wrote the original Clinton Assault Weapons Ban) Senator Joe "Gun Grabbing" Biden soundly last night in their debate...
    the Biden Gaff machine did not disappoint...

    Governor Palin has a Perfect record supporting the Second Amendment, life time hunter, firearm collector... A rated by the NRA and GOA!

    Governor Palin is a proven reformer, whom went after members of her own party to make the right kind of change...
    www.rightchange.com - Home

    Plus she has experience as a City Council Woman, Mayor, Energy Commissioner, Governor and small business owner...

    Heck she has more executive experience then anybody on either ticket!

    Further, both Biden and Obama have only been Senators; and have not even run a grocery store and do not even have managerial experience; let alone ANY EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE!
    McCain does not have defacto executive experience either; but he has been a member of both the House and Senate and commanded the largest air wing in the Navy and has served his country longer then Obama has been alive! Moreover, McCain has shown his true character better then anybody could; when as a son and grandson of two 4 star Navy Admirals he was offered early release from the Hanoi Hilton prison camp in Vietnam...
    AND REFUSED!

    Obama has never authored a single piece of legislation; McCain has been a part of every major piece of U.S. legislation in the last 20+ years...

    Without a doubt I do not agree with McCain on everything, heck almost anything; but he has earned the title Maverick and proven reformer and has a record of crossing party lines to get things done; neither Obama nor Biden have EVER CROSSED PARTY LINES...

    Check Biden's record; his is 30 years of Obama's record...
    Biden voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Supreme Court Justices that stood up for the Second Amendment...

    Both Biden and Obama refused to sign and submit briefs in support of Parker-Heller...

    McCain FILED HIS BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT!

    I think Governor Palin is the single person on either ticket that most represents the Average American and their values...

    Having Palin on the ticket gives me real HOPE, that once McCain is out we will have a President that we can agree with on the majority of issues...

    In the words of Hillary Clinton... "John McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the office of the President, I would bring a lifetime of experience; Barack would bring a speech he wrote in 2002".

    In the words of Joe Biden, Obama's running mate... "The Office of the President does not lend itself to on the job training" and when asked directly in a democratic debate Joe Biden reaffirmed it!

    You might support Obama IF:
    YOU MIGHT SUPPORT OBAMA IF

    If you fail to vote for McCain-Palin or you do not vote; YOU ARE VOTING FOR Obama-Biden...

    Remember, how we ended up with Slick-Willie Clinton!
    Ross Perot took 15% of the vote which gave the election to Slick-Willie...

    If people had not voted 3rd party in that election the first Bush would have won; and we would not have had the largest gun bans in u.s. history, and there would have been no 911... to say the least...
    DUDE YOU GET A HUGE +1 on this
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  6. #205
    Montana, May I suggest that you start a new thread "Who do you like for president in 2012?
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  7. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by MONTANA View Post
    I want a candidate who will have at least some of these items in his/her platform:

    1. Abolish the Electoral College and allow the people to elect the president of the United States.
    2. Repeal of the 16th amendment and abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service with the establishment of a flat tax.
    3. Secure the borders and stop illegal immigration.
    4. Establishment of English as the official language of this country.
    5. Withdrawal of this country from the United Nations----American citizens have not elected members to the United Nations and that organization does not represent the interests of the United States or the citizens of this country.
    6. Repeal of the 17th amendment. Taxation without representation, as evidenced by the passage of Obama’s health care agenda, would not have passed if senators were appointed by the state legislatures.
    7. Passage of a 28th amendment to the constitution which states that “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does no apply equally to the Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States. Passage of this amendment shall render all previous such exemptions null and void immediately.”
    8. Passage of a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget.
    9. Passage of legislation which puts the full weight and force of the United States Congress behind the development of alternative fuels in order to make this nation energy self-sufficient, including nuclear power and coal to oil technology.
    10. Privatization of social security for all American workers under the age of 50.
    11. Pursuit of a Swiss style diplomacy with gradual withdrawal of our troops once our nation becomes energy independent.......with all savings from closing foreign bases going to on-going development and support of our military and the securing of our borders.
    we should probably start a 2012 thread ...

    but I will respond to your suggestions...

    Other then the following, I am pretty much in agreement with you...


    • I am all for U.S. based alternative fuels as long as it does not prohibit us from using the fossil fuels we still have yet to utilize here in the U.S.



    • I am adamantly opposed to your statement on #1 the founding fathers setup the Electoral College with great forethought; like everything else they did; it is as much valid today as it was then in my view... (do we really want 47 million illegal aliens granted amnesty by the Socialist in chief and company to see that they are re-elected in a landslide? We are a Republic, not a Democracy as we have been mislead to believe... a Democracy is essentially mob/majority rule...



    • I am also opposed to your suggestion to repealing the 17th amendment...

    IF for instance we have democratic majority's in congress like we do now; do we really want the same guys putting Gun Banning Sonia Sotomayor on the Supreme Court picking our U.S. Senators?
    That's kind of like having the fox guard the hen house...


    • On Social Security and all the stinking unconstitutional entitlement programs; I think they should be abolished period...


    While the Socialist in Chief Obama & Company are telling us we are 13 Trillion and counting in debt; We are actually currently 121 Trillion and counting in debt; they are intentionally not telling us about the 109 Trillion with a T and counting we are in the hole on entitlement programs; and the fact is we don't have the money for even those of us that already paid in...

    They do not want to be the ones that have to tell us THE GOVERNMENT SCREWED YOU... So they are shoving it under the rug...

    Its only a matter of time before the Fed has to say... (and we will live to see it, sooner rather then later...)
    We are sorry, WE ALREADY SPENT YOUR MONEY AND THERE IS NONE LEFT...

    This 108 Trillion Consists 100% of:
    Social Security
    Medicare
    Medicaid

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

    We cannot keep spending money we do not have, and charging it to our grandchildren & great-grandchildren...

    Generational Debt, is Generational Theft...

    WTFU SHEEPLE !

    Take back the Republic !

    Fire Congress in November 2010 and Gun Ban Obama & Company in 2012

    No RINO's...
    No Democrats..
    No Liberals...
    No Socialists, Marxists, Communists...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by doublenutz View Post
    BEING A PROFESSIONAL AFRICAN AMERICAN MYSELF, THIS IS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE RON PAUL SMUT RHETORIC.

    The only complete article from the Ron Paul Political Report on the Internet that I am aware of is a 1992 piece titled "LOS ANGELES RACIAL TERRORISM," on the subject of the so-called Rodney King riots in South Central Los Angeles in 1991. It is available to us today because it was posted to the talk.politics.misc newsgroup on July 30, 1993 by Dan Gannon, a notorious white supremacist and Holocaust denier, and archived by the Nizkor Project, an anti-revisionism organization that was active in cataloging hate speech on the early public Internet. You can read Nizkor's copy of the article here, and see a reposted version on Google Groups here. Some relevant passages from the article (emphasis mine):
    Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.
    Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
    If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.
    Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer.

    DUDE, YOU HAVE THE INSANE AUDACITY TO COME INTO THIS FORUM AND ASK ME TO VOTE FOR THIS GUY. I suspect his white sheets are hanging in the same country club locker rooms as David Duke's.
    The term racism has absolutely no meaning to anyone at all anymore; once again you prove my point. I suspect you also voted for BHO. And OJ is innocent!! The fact that you identify yourself as African American also proves my point. (Instead of a BlacK AMERICAN) I see nothing derogatory about Ron Paulís statements. Simply stating the facts. The old double standard. Get over it.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

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    Could we get some over here?
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    I am going to ask Luke to close this one...

    I am open to somebody else opening a applicable 2012 Thread, but at this point in time in my view our only focus should be returning the U.S. Congress back to the people in November 2010, after November 2010 we can focus on whose viable and whose not...

    In regards to the flame on doublenutz I suggest you take it offline via pm and start with an apology to my fellow Marine who is no fan of Obama...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    we should probably start a 2012 thread ...

    but I will respond to your suggestions...

    Other then the following, I am pretty much in agreement with you...


    • I am all for U.S. based alternative fuels as long as it does not prohibit us from using the fossil fuels we still have yet to utilize here in the U.S.



    • I am adamantly opposed to your statement on #1 the founding fathers setup the Electoral College with great forethought; like everything else they did; it is as much valid today as it was then in my view... (do we really want 47 million illegal aliens granted amnesty by the Socialist in chief and company to see that they are re-elected in a landslide? We are a Republic, not a Democracy as we have been mislead to believe... a Democracy is essentially mob/majority rule...



    • I am also opposed to your suggestion to repealing the 17th amendment...

    IF for instance we have democratic majority's in congress like we do now; do we really want the same guys putting Gun Banning Sonia Sotomayor on the Supreme Court picking our U.S. Senators?
    That's kind of like having the fox guard the hen house...


    • On Social Security and all the stinking unconstitutional entitlement programs; I think they should be abolished period...


    While the Socialist in Chief Obama & Company are telling us we are 13 Trillion and counting in debt; We are actually currently 121 Trillion and counting in debt; they are intentionally not telling us about the 109 Trillion with a T and counting we are in the hole on entitlement programs; and the fact is we don't have the money for even those of us that already paid in...

    They do not want to be the ones that have to tell us THE GOVERNMENT SCREWED YOU... So they are shoving it under the rug...

    Its only a matter of time before the Fed has to say... (and we will live to see it, sooner rather then later...)
    We are sorry, WE ALREADY SPENT YOUR MONEY AND THERE IS NONE LEFT...

    This 108 Trillion Consists 100% of:
    Social Security
    Medicare
    Medicaid

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

    We cannot keep spending money we do not have, and charging it to our grandchildren & great-grandchildren...

    Generational Debt, is Generational Theft...

    WTFU SHEEPLE !

    Take back the Republic !

    Fire Congress in November 2010 and Gun Ban Obama & Company in 2012

    No RINO's...
    No Democrats..
    No Liberals...
    No Socialists, Marxists, Communists...
    Those are good points and they have given me pause for thought. I am not one locked into only my views and I appreciate your comments. I agree with your argument against the first point. We don't need to be changing what the Founding Fathers have established. However on repeal of the 17th amendment, refer to Section 3 Article 1 of the Constitution. The founding fathers DID want the state legislatures to appoint senators. The idea was that the senators would work for the people, not special interest groups as they do now. The 17th amendment was enacted during the administration of the socialist , Woodrow Wilson, and the intent of the 17th amendment was to neuter the power of the states and centralize power with the Federal government. Just for example, do you think that the senators from Montana would have supported Obama's health care plan if they knew they were dependent on reappointment by the state legislature? The citizens would be screaming for either their recall or demanding that they not be reappointed. If the legislature failed to listen to the people, then they would risk their own re-election.

    When I suggested privatization of Social Security, that was probably bad wording. I am for eliminating social security, but requiring that every employee contribute 10% of their total income into a retirement plan offered by their employer or through their own financial retirement plan. I don't want older Americans to be dependent on tax payers because they didn't plan that they would one day need or want to retire. But the government should not be the "owner" of a person's retirement plan.

    You made no comment on the flat tax, but I wanted to expand my thoughts on that topic. Can you imagine the economic boom to this country if we eliminated the income tax, abolished the IRS, and then said that every item purchased in this country would have a flat sales tax of 10%? We would immediately tax drug dealers, illegal aliens, corporations, and even vacationers from other countries. Unfortunately, we have the tax whores who make a living off of the current system. It is about power and control, not what is best for the country. Sad situation.

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