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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    I feel so much better now.
    Me, too. Lets have some tea, wait for this new goverment to tell us how much it is going to cost to clear up global warming, join the EU, become a one world government and ohhhhh, what the heck, lets just send all our guns in right now and save them the postage. We might even car pool to save on gas...better for the environment.
    Rule #1 of CCW: Don't get made.

  3. #42
    Senate Debate #2 Alan Keyes & Barack Obama
    October 21, 2004

    ANDY SHAW, ABC-CHANNEL 7 REPORTER: Mr. Keyes, you shocked a lot of people a month ago when you said that law-abiding citizens trained in gun safety should be allowed to carry machine guns on the streets of cities like Chicago. Explain that, if you will.

    KEYES: Well, actually, as you know, Andy, I never said that. I was asked a question about whether or not people should have access, under our Constitution and laws, to automatic weapons, and I referred the reporter to the factual situation--that, in fact, under our Constitution and laws, such access is allowed.

    I will state boldly, though, that I am a supporter of the Second Amendment, and I believe strongly that law-abiding citizens should have their right to keep and bear arms left intact.

    The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that you pass a law which will bind law-abiding citizens. They won't have access to weapons. Now, we know that criminals, by definition, are people who don't obey laws. Therefore, you can pass all the laws that you want. They will still have access to these weapons, just as they have access to illegal drugs and other things right now. That means you end up with a situation in which the law-abiding folks can't defend themselves, and the crooks have all the guns.

    Happy enough, I guess, for Senator Obama, since he doesn't believe that homeowners should be able to defend themselves if their house is broken into. He voted against a bill that would have allowed that self-defense to be a plea against the charge that you were in illegal possession of a firearm.

    But, no! That's not good enough. But he wants the crooks to get warning from the police, if they are breaking into a place where they know armed criminals are waiting, he wants to make sure that they give them fair warning, so I guess they can shoot the police to death.

    I don't believe in arming the criminals and protecting the criminal, while leaving the law-abiding citizens disarmed, and telling our police that they must work under every disadvantage. That doesn't serve order. It doesn't serve law. And it doesn't make sense.

    MAGERS: Mr. Obama.

    OBAMA: Well, let's be clear. Mr. Keyes, for example, does not believe in common gun safety laws like the assault weapons bill. I have, as one of my guests today, the head of the Fraternal Order of Police. I'm proud of the support that I've received from that organization, in part, because they are concerned precisely about what Mr. Keyes referred to--getting shot by assault weapons, when they go in, in an attempt to do a drug bust.

    Now, Mr. Keyes suggested that, somehow, because criminals break the law, that we shouldn't have laws in the first place. That defies logic. People break all sorts of laws, but we still have the laws in place.

    And the fact of the matter is, is that Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits, that I can tell, with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, and that is to kill people, unless you're seeing a lot of deer out there wearing bullet-proof vests, then there is no purpose for many of the guns.

    I think it is a scandal that this president did not force a renewal of this assault weapons ban. If it had problems with it, then we should have closed those loopholes that might have made it not as effective as it should have been.

    MAGERS: Thank you very much, Mr. Obama, and Mr. Keyes, you have thirty seconds to rebut.

    KEYES: I think one of the great problems is that the Assault Weapons Ban deals with a fictional distinction. You have guns that are exactly the same guns as are banned, in function, that were banned because of the way they look. And you know, that's the whole truth of this policy: it's to make politicians look as if they are doing something, when in point of fact, they are doing nothing.

    The answer to crime is not gun control, it is law enforcement and self-control. And when we remember that, we will see the rates of crime go down in Chicago, and everywhere else.

    MAGERS: Mr. Obama, thirty seconds.

    OBAMA: Well, I think it's true that we have to focus on self-control, and when young gang-bangers are out there shooting into crowds, there's a moral issue and a values issue that has to be addressed.

    But I tell you what, it helps if they don't have an assault weapon with them when they shoot into that crowd. And I think that common sense gun safety laws aren't just supported by gun control politicians. They're supported by mothers who've been, seen their loved ones gunned down on the streets, and I think it's necessary that we address the problems that they see every day.

    This is the ineligible P.O.S.... that our misguided fellow citizens voted in..

    More CHANGE we can believe in... GUN BAN OBAMA AND COMPANY...

    Last edited by Bohemian; 12-30-2008 at 12:21 AM.

  4. #43
    gpbarth Guest
    Now, Mr. Keyes suggested that, somehow, because criminals break the law, that we shouldn't have laws in the first place. That defies logic. People break all sorts of laws, but we still have the laws in place.
    With this sentence, right out of the box, the debate should have been over. Talk about "absurd." Admitting that there are already laws on the books, admitting to making new ones, and all the time skirting around the fact that the laws we already have are worthless. If we already have laws prohibiting the use of firearms in a crime, why are the criminals still using weapoms in a crime? We have a law!!! Yeah, really...

    Until the current laws are enforced, don't make me puke with new ones. Besides, one big reason the laws can't be enforced is because there aren't enough cops out there to do the job. So, tell ya what, I'll help 'em out. If someone TRIES to commit a felony in my presence, especially if it is aimed at me personally, I'll take out my cellphone, call 9-1-1, and submit while I'm being robbed or my wife is being assaulted. NOT!!!

    Armed citizenry is the only way to go in today's new "West," where BGs have all the firepower. I want to make the playing field level.

  5. #44
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    Oct 2007
    The thing about politicians are and I know this is going to be a big shock to everybody. They are all liars. For every one fact that shows Obama is in support of the 2A we can find one fact that says he is not.

    He will take the second amendment, dissect it to what he believes is it's core meaning and then say I support it.

    By they way. Carrying a gun is not pert of the core meaning of the second in his eyes. The only place he believes in the right to bear arms is on your own property and well the second says's nothing about ammo now does it.

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