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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    It's so much more difficult for you to hide your ignorance than to acquire knowledge XD...as usual. 1] There will be war & direct conflict with Russia...Gog-Magog/Ezekiel 38-39. 2] Assad will not be removed and any puppet put into his place. 3] Syria will soon be annihilated, period...

    A Prophecy Against Damascus (Isaiah 17)

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    I know this is a Russia thread and I've already spoken up once in this thread on what I think will transpire but I want to weigh on North Korea too, because, what the hell.

    In case you were wondering what the political subtext is for the Carl Vinson strike group being ordered to the Western Pacific (apart from "readiness"), the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)... was bin Laden's final destination before burial at sea. This was my view before DefSec Mattis gave his recent press briefing on Syria and North Korea and it remains my view after the DefSec's recent press briefing. There is a story on this at Navy Times here:
    https://www.navytimes.com/articles/k...-to-the-region

    a) It was DefSec Mattis's claim during the recent press briefing that the USS Carl Vinson is "on her way up there because that's where we thought it was most prudent to have her." So far as I can tell, this is just DefSec Mattis trying to not inflame the situation. He has been ordered to position heavy resources in the vicinity of the Korean peninsula, and that is what he is doing. My sense is rather than making public statements that could potentially result in North Koreans being even more angry than they already are, he is simply stating that he's just moving equipment around, although I think anyone rubbing neurons together can tell that is definitely not what is happening here.

    b) The USS Carl Vinson strike group carries political connotation with it wherever it goes. I don't know that anyone can deny that. The fact that it is headed towards the Korean peninsula simply suggests that if North Korea were to launch upon South Korea, upon US resources or personnel, or simply launch anything, then North Korea would be launched upon and pretty much everyone in range of US airpower would be blown out to sea. Any known nuclear installations, underground, would be dealt with by MOPs (Massive Ordinance Penetrators) and aboveground mobile nuclear missiles (those mounted on large trucks) would be dealt with by missiles. Each of the U.S. Air Force's B-2s is able to carry two 14-ton MOPs (or other strike packages), and the B-2s (Stealth Bombers) can fly 12,000 miles with one mid-air refueling. (In other words, they can fly halfway around the world at the equator.) Whiteman AFB is the only known permanent base for the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber (though it certainly may be located elsewhere). Whiteman can launch combat sorties directly from Missouri to any part of the globe, engaging adversaries with nuclear or conventional weapon payloads. In the very near future, it might not be "just MOPs" that they use but also, HVPWs - the newer, high-velocity penetrating weapons, which have already been used in combat by the Israelis in 2015 and which most certainly the United States has as well. IMHO, despite any denials you might hear about it, even if they hit all their targets and no North Korean nukes launch successfully, you'd still have serious radioactive contamination problems in the sites of the strikes. If a single launch succeeds, even if the North Korean nuke is intercepted, it might still hit a target, the reason being the nuke may have MIRV technology (Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle), basically meaning there are more than one peas to the pod (Russian nukes can break apart in up to 10 MIRVs to counteract high altitude area defense missile systems). My guess is it would be the worst possible option to have to do so, but if North Korea reacts the US will have little choice. The preferred option would be to work very closely with China to isolate and remove the current North Korean leadership from power. The trickier part is the decommissioning of North Korean nuclear weapons and who would take over -- a new North Korean dictator? A Chinese puppet? A South Korean puppet? None of these sound good. A legitimate question here to ask is if the North Korean people are ready to actually explore alternative governance scenarios essentially on their own that would not involve a series of depressing Korean or Chinese dictators.

    By the way, remember that the Korean War never actually ended. There was a truce, but technically the war did not end and it continues to this day. The Chinese certainly have not lost their memory of this fact. They refer to it officially as the "War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" or 抗美援朝战争. It is the Chinese position currently that we should stop doing military exercises in the region in exchange for China "convincing" North Korea to agree to stop developing nuclear weapons. What sense is there in such an insane proposal? If the United States had no presence there, South Korea would be overrun by North Korean forces. Chinese troops amass on the border, at the moment if for no other reason than to prevent more North Koreans from fleeing into China, but their troop buildup is unsettling to say the least. And North Korea has been violating agreements relating to nuclear materials and weapons since 1995. China's proposal makes no sense. We need China to be on our side to be able to peacefully remove the current North Korean leadership from power, but if China continues as it currently does that will not be possible, and North Korea will continue its weapons development unabated. That is what has brought us to this point.

    Important note on all this: In 2016, it was revealed that North Korea approached the United States about conducting formal peace talks to formally end the war. While the White House agreed to secret peace talks, the plan was rejected due to the country's refusal to discuss nuclear disarmament as part of the terms of the treaty. Any possibility of talks ended on January 6, 2016 when North Korea conducted their fourth nuclear test.

    It would be good, though, if the U.S. and China could agree that they could formally end the Korean War at least with respect to each other, and if China would at least agree that it will not render any aid to North Korea if North Korea is attacked, then it would be possible to work towards a peaceful solution with China; attacking North Korea would then only happen if the North were to conduct further tests or launch against South Korea or the United States.

    Another important point, was that both DefSec Mattis and Gen. Votel deflected and did not answer directly (they "answered," but did not answer) questions in the recent press briefing regarding the deconfliction line, suggesting that (although the line had remained open in the past few days) that they might not be getting answers on the other end, or are getting limited answers on the Russian end on the deconfliction line. This is a problem that needs to be resolved, because we need the Russians to be working with us especially in light of the problems with ISIS in the region.
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    OK, apparently my statement from yesterday about the MOPs going to be used was correct.

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/852561191373348864

    U.S. hasn't used them on North Korea (yet), but it looks like these are sure being used in battlefield now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freethink View Post
    I know this is a Russia thread and I've already spoken up once in this thread on what I think will transpire but I want to weigh on North Korea too, because, what the hell.
    North Korea communist dictator Kim Jong-un has been rattling the nuclear sabers and US President Donald Trump isn't taking any chances. Trump, in a show of strength and warning, dispatched a US Navy strike group into the west Pacific and there are reports that Seal Team 6 (U.S. Navy Seal Squad Training to Assassinate Kim Jong-un) is training to assassinate Jong-un. Jong-un has announced his intent to explode another underground nuclear bomb this week, and has threatened a nuclear strike on the US, perhaps using a submarine. Trump told Fox News that Jong-un "is doing the wrong thing," but refused to go into specifics about his military plan. North Korea wouldn't have been part of the nuclear club if not for former President Bill Clinton. Let's roll back the clock to October 1994, where after 17 months of negotiations, President Bill Clinton committed the US to a nuclear deal with communist North Korea. Clinton is quoted as saying, "This US-North Korean agreement will help to achieve a long-standing and vital American objective: an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean peninsula." Heritage Foundation archives document in an October 20 letter to North Korean strongman Kim Jong Il, Clinton vastly expanded America's commitments under the formal agreement to finance fuel shipments and reactors, and to ease its long-standing trade embargo and move toward first-ever diplomatic relations with the North.

    Clinton's long-held belief on nuclear weapons was that if everyone had them, nobody would use them and the world would be a safer place. On June 11, 1993, the US agreed to not use force or nuclear weapons against North Korea if it remained in the nonproliferation treaty. North Korea continued to develop its nuclear weapons program. On October 18, 1994, President Bill Clinton signed a deal to give North Korea light water reactor nuclear technology if it stopped building nuclear weapons, saying, "Today all Americans should know that as a result of this achievement on Korea, our Nation will be safer and the future of our people more secure." In reality, the world is much more dangerous because of Clinton's reckless shenanigans. North Korea went on to develop nuclear weapons and to assist Iran in its nuclear weapons program. Where the immediate past "president" preferred the use of verbal diplomacy that allowed barbarians their way, Trump has shown no hesitancy to use military force against the world's bullies. While many in America look at Jong-un as a mentally-challenged little fat man always peering through binoculars, we need to realize that, thanks to Clinton, he has lethal power, and needs to be taken seriously. Romans 12:18 says, "If it be possible, as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men." Peace is a two-way street, especially when millions of lives are at stake. Sadly, Trump may be forced to end what Clinton foolishly began.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post

    "The wisdom of man is foolishness to God"
    . The stage is presently being set for the "annihilation" of Damascus (Isaiah 17). This soon to be fulfilled prophecy combined with the War of Psalm 83 will be the catalyst for the Gog-Magog War of Ezekiel 38-39. We are already 69 years into this Last Generation and Scripture makes clear that ALL prophecy will converge and be fulfilled in this Last Generation... Signs of the End of the Age - Matthew 24:34 - Mark 13:30 - Luke 21:32... "I tell you the truth, this generation (1948-2028) will certainly not pass away until ALL of these things have happened". Being that God uses prophecy to prove He is who He says He is, and to authenticate ALL the warnings and the promises found in the Bible, we can expect the exponential growth of these events to rapidly increase in 2017.

    Isaiah 17-A Prophecy Against Damascus

    (Isaiah 17:14)
    "In the evening, sudden terror!
    Before the morning, they are gone!"
    Russian media Pravda.Ru announced that Russian warships returned to the Mediterranean Sea with the statement that "Today, (April 8, 2017) the frigate of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Grigorovich, joined the permanent formation of the Navy in the Mediterranean Sea." All of this is in response to President Trump's order to send Tomahawk missiles flying to Shayrat, Syria airbase as a national judgment by the USA for the war crimes of Syria in bombing the innocent civilians. It was approximately 535 BC when God inspired Daniel to reveal this truth regarding a "latter years" prophecy. (Dan11:40) "The king of the north (Russia) will storm out with ...a vast navy." Russia has always been ice-bound in the north seas, but with the land grabbing of Crimea they gained access to the Black Sea and ultimately to the Mediterranean Sea. The Soviet Union and Syria entered an agreement in 1944, which matured in 1971, to allow the Soviet Union to open its naval military base in Tartus. This gave Russia a major port in the Mediterranean Sea that is a deep water port and at the same time in 2009 through military aid they gained a major port city of Latakia that has been developed into a major airbase. Latakia has become even more significant as it's the home of Russia's largest foreign electronic eavesdropping facility. And, in 2015 Russia opened an additional airbase in Shaayrat. This gives Russia two ports (Tartus and Latakia) in addition to two major airbases (Latakia and Shaayrat). It's very interesting that a people who avow "there is no God" are shown the development of their future by a God whom they disavow.

    The entrance of the Russian/GogMagog navy into the Middle East in alliance with Persia/Iran and other Islamic states is like reading a billboard sign with the hand writing on the wall of the palace. The Bible includes other players in this war invasion by the Russia and Iran prophecy in Ezekiel 38 and 39. God states that Libya, Ethiopia, Turkey, Armenia and Georgia will all be involved. With this invasion (Ezekiel 39:1 & 2) God tells Russia in no uncertain terms that "I am against you, O Gog (Russian comrades)...and I will turn you back and leave but the sixth part of you upon the mountains of Israel." Five (5) out of six (6) coalition invaders of Gog's army will die on the mountains of Israel. Being that God uses prophecy to prove He is who He says He is, and to authenticate ALL the warnings and the promises found in the Bible, you're encouraged to verify the Scripture regarding the invasion by the armies involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    North Korea communist dictator Kim Jong-un has been rattling the nuclear sabers and US President Donald Trump isn't taking any chances. Trump, in a show of strength and warning, dispatched a US Navy strike group into the west Pacific and there are reports that Seal Team 6 (U.S. Navy Seal Squad Training to Assassinate Kim Jong-un) is training to assassinate Jong-un. Jong-un has announced his intent to explode another underground nuclear bomb this week, and has threatened a nuclear strike on the US, perhaps using a submarine. (...) Romans 12:18 says, "If it be possible, as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men." Peace is a two-way street, especially when millions of lives are at stake. Sadly, Trump may be forced to end what Clinton foolishly began.
    Back in (close to mid) 2012, I was asked to make assessments originally relating to feasibility of escape and support for persons in areas of NK, and I was not surprised to be asked eventually (although it was an informal conversation) what my opinion was on the feasibility was of removal of NK leadership.

    It's a long discussion.

    TL;DR:

    As time goes on it will be more difficult and without Chinese support it will be extremely difficult indeed. To fail to act, however, would be to fail.
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    Just thought I'd add this to the thread:

    These guys were definitely badasses and should be remembered.

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    In other (North Korea) news - yeah, I know, this is a Russia discussion, but here we go again

    North Korea: ‚ÄėThermonuclear war may break out at any minute' | TheHill

    You better believe those B-2 pilots are in the air right now, some with MOP packages.
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