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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Blue apparently believes that someone should be able to purchase a gun on their way home from being released from prison after serving their armed robbery sentence.
    They can anyway.

    Most guns used by criminals come from straw buyers and corrupt FFLs.

    It's one thing to trade a piece of your 4th amendment for a systom that works, but NICS cannot stop straw buyers or corrupt FFLs.

    You're getting no value back.

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  3. #12
    Enforcement is the answer.

    Treat it like tobacco: there's a simple rule saying who cannot buy or posess, then undercover ATF agents try to get sellers to sell illegally.

    Offenders are made an example of and other sellers police themselves because they won't know who's a reguler customer and who's an agent.

    We need to do the same with guns.

    There's no background check for tobacco: If you're a prohibited person then your ID looks different. We need to do the same with guns.

    There's no carry permit for tobacco: If you can legaly posess tobacco at all then of course you can have it on your person, carried openly or concealed. We need to do the same with guns.

    No one's required to store their tobacco in a safe, with the lighter in a seporate compartment. We need to do the same with guns.

    No one's required to declair tobacco when flying. We need to do the same with guns.

  4. #13
    Just because I want to get rid of NICS does not mean I want violent people to have guns.

    There's a better way to do it.

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueshell View Post
    There's a better way to do it.
    Which is?
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  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Which is?
    I litteraly JUST spelled it all out.

  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueshell View Post
    Enforcement is the answer.

    Treat it like tobacco: there's a simple rule saying who cannot buy or posess, then undercover ATF agents try to get sellers to sell illegally.

    Offenders are made an example of and other sellers police themselves because they won't know who's a reguler customer and who's an agent.

    We need to do the same with guns.

    There's no background check for tobacco: If you're a prohibited person then your ID looks different. We need to do the same with guns.

    There's no carry permit for tobacco: If you can legaly posess tobacco at all then of course you can have it on your person, carried openly or concealed. We need to do the same with guns.

    No one's required to store their tobacco in a safe, with the lighter in a seporate compartment. We need to do the same with guns.

    No one's required to declair tobacco when flying. We need to do the same with guns.
    So you’re saying that in order to buy a gun, you’ll need an ID to authorize you to do so, what is the difference between the ID check and a NICS check?
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    Also, the ID thought wouldn’t be current, like the NICS is, you can do something that would deny you to buy a gun, but as long as you have the ID, you could illegally purchase said gun.
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    Nice idea to compare it to tobacco, but although tobacco does kill people, it doesn’t go out and be able to kill multiple people as fast as a gun can do.
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  8. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    So you’re saying that in order to buy a gun, you’ll need an ID to authorize you to do so, what is the difference between the ID check and a NICS check?
    No.

    As with tobacco, you are authorized by default.

    Only if your ID specifically de-authorizes you would the sale be illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    Also, the ID thought wouldn’t be current, like the NICS is, you can do something that would deny you to buy a gun, but as long as you have the ID, you could illegally purchase said gun.
    Yup. No law can prevent crime. Only enforcement can. The ID is an enforcement tool, not a prevention device.

    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    Nice idea to compare it to tobacco, but although tobacco does kill people, it doesn’t go out and be able to kill multiple people as fast as a gun can do.
    480,000 tobacco deaths vs 21,000 gun deaths, every year.

    You were saying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    Five Fast Gun Reforms President Trump Will Sign Into Law
    ....National Concealed Carry Reciprocity
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    There is significant momentum towards establishing national concealed carry reciprocity in all 50 states. President Trump, working with a Republican-controlled
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    House and Senate, should be able to get this passed into law within the first 90 days...

    ...What is going to happen is that President Trump, the House, and Senate are going to work on legislation to close the gaping holes in the existing background check system so that it is more effective, ensuring better and more accurate updating of prohibited persons....
    Why do so many people like this author try to spout off about topics they have very little knowledgeable of? There aren't enough Republicans in the Senate to override a democrat filibuster. It really depends on which of them are willing to dig in their heels and how deep. There's also the matter of the establishment republicans who've vowed to fight Trump. What they intend to fight and how they intend to wage these battles remains to be seen, but you can't simply assume that every republican is going to side with Trump on these issues. These things are possible, but the 'rubber stamp' Congress this guy thinks we have just doesn't exist. And with good ole Chuckie Schumer as the new minority leader, you and Bob Owens shouldn't hold your breath waiting for these things to magically happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueshell View Post
    Most guns used by criminals come from straw buyers and corrupt FFLs
    Source for this claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    Source for this claim?
    Verious:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=wher...e=UTF-8#xxri=3

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