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    So anyway, I did this for those that are interested:

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...estoration-act

    I will ignore trolling and unconstructive posts.
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  3. If government at any level controls or regulates a RIGHT , it is no longer a RIGHT .

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    That's just it tho, how are they going to be controlling anything other than telling these gun hating states to accept out of state permits? Seems to me like the states will still control their own redundant gun laws.

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    Ken...

    To your point Ken,

    The rights of which we are talking are natural rights and thus are legitimately unaffected by the various political doings of humankind.

    However, if you want to have the laws repealed (I really feel like I'm beating a dead horse here...) which ARE INTERFERING and which PEOPLE HAVE USED TO INTERFERE with our exercise of our rights, then you do need to do something about that in Congress, such as either H.R. 38 which I have suggested we support, or a repeal of the laws by Congress, which I have also suggested we support. Language for repeal of unconstitutional laws is provided in the petition link above. (Of note, if H.R. 38 were to pass and be signed into law, and then my suggested Second Amendment Restoration Act were to be signed into law, H.R. 38 would then become null and void along with pretty much every other gun law; for reasons why, see the below link)
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...estoration-act

    I imagine I'll get about twenty childish responses to this comment, each saying that we shouldn't ask Congress to do anything. For those who are about to launch into such rants, I'm sorry you weren't brought up any better.
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  6. When a SCOTUS is seated who can be counted on to actually support the 2nd Amendment in its entirety, a challenge to the rights of the states to infringe is not safe. A bad decision could set precedence for a very long time.

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    those rights again

    Quote Originally Posted by thewitt View Post
    When a SCOTUS is seated who can be counted on to actually support the 2nd Amendment in its entirety, a challenge to the rights of the states to infringe is not safe. A bad decision could set precedence for a very long time.
    States have no rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freethink View Post
    To your point Ken,

    The rights of which we are talking are natural rights and thus are legitimately unaffected by the various political doings of humankind.

    However, if you want to have the laws repealed (I really feel like I'm beating a dead horse here...) which ARE INTERFERING and which PEOPLE HAVE USED TO INTERFERE with our exercise of our rights, then you do need to do something about that in Congress, such as either H.R. 38 which I have suggested we support, or a repeal of the laws by Congress, which I have also suggested we support. Language for repeal of unconstitutional laws is provided in the petition link above. (Of note, if H.R. 38 were to pass and be signed into law, and then my suggested Second Amendment Restoration Act were to be signed into law, H.R. 38 would then become null and void along with pretty much every other gun law; for reasons why, see the below link)
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...estoration-act

    I imagine I'll get about twenty childish responses to this comment, each saying that we shouldn't ask Congress to do anything. For those who are about to launch into such rants, I'm sorry you weren't brought up any better.
    Bold added by me for emphasis....

    Asking for a federal law to override a state law is tantamount to a child running to Daddy to get permission to do something Mommy already said "No" to with the child never understanding that he still had to................... ask permission.

    If one must ask permission to exercise a right then that right has been infringed (is controlled) by whatever government entity has the power to regulate the exercising. Which government entity, federal, state, or local, is in control of handing out permission is immaterial to the plain and inescapable fact that it isn't who is in charge of giving permission that is the problem. The real and true problem is that permission must be asked for.
    Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J. C. Watts

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    Bikenut,

    The only reason I am replying to you is because I think you may actually not understand what is happening and may need another perspective.

    I will lay it out as easily as possible.

    1) Nobody (or very few) people wanted state and federal laws to infringe upon how people exercised their rights (which are natural rights, but are expressed in our Constitution), but that is exactly what has happened. In the context of concealed carry, states began regulating it in 1813. I know you don't want to hear that and may even deny that it happened for the sake of convenience, but that's our history, and that's what happened. As a consequence, people who violated the gun laws were punished, jailed, or killed. I didn't say I agreed with that, I am saying don't engage in historical revisionism. Be factual and understand that these things did actually happen and continue to happen in the present day. If you want a historical source for when concealed carry restrictions began to emerge in the United States, please see https://gunculture2point0.wordpress....layton-cramer/
    For further historical analysis, I would suggest:
    https://gunculture2point0.wordpress....-anse-patrick/
    Finally, see also: https://gunculture2point0.wordpress....ncealed-carry/
    and https://gunculture2point0.wordpress....mitless-carry/

    2) You compared asking for federal law to override state law as a "Daddy fed" approach to the issue, when in reality it is not a question of asking, it is a question of doing. When the States are infringing upon rights, the federal government has a responsibility to rein in the States' legislative activity. That is quite arguably the extent of and the most important duty of the federal government in the United States. If you do not know that, it is because you did not study how our Founders developed the Supremacy Clause and its implications for federal preemption over state law.

    The issue of the Supremacy Clause in our Constitution, and how it allows for federal preemption, particularly in instances where states attempt to limit rights, is not a matter subject to question. It is expressly intended by our Constitution.

    3) You misunderstand the issue of how one exercises a right. No-one need ask permission to exercise a right, but that does not eliminate the fact that there are laws that interfere with your exercise of your rights. Those laws need to be repealed. There are processes for doing so. Individuals or organizations can prove a harm and thus challenge laws in court - a process which can take years, while meanwhile obstinate legislatures continue to pass more unconstitutional laws. Or, Congress can act to modify or repeal entirely harmful or unconstitutional laws. Those include not only federal laws but also state laws, which can be repealed directly by Congress where they infringe upon a right. Laws not repealed can be deemed by Congress simply to have no effect, which for all intents and purposes is the same thing as repeal.

    Again, you don't need to ask someone if you want to exercise a right, but if there is a law where you live that would interfere with your right and you would violate that law, you know what the consequences of that would be. The better option is to repeal the laws or deem them to have no effect.

    Hope this helps you understand the process.
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    To thewitt,

    Regarding the SCOTUS issue, Gorsuch will be seated by April 7. Dems are committed to filibuster, and Republicans reasonably want Gorsuch to be confirmed, so the nuclear option will be exercised on or before April 7 so as to ensure confirmation and seating of Gorsuch before the Senate recess, which begins April 8.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by freethink View Post
    Hope this helps you understand the process.
    Bikenut understands a hell of a lot more about our current government than you do.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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