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    Who is Lying About Russian Hacking?

    Tomorrow, there will be a meeting of intelligence experts in Washington to firmly state that the Russians did intentionally hack into our election process in order to get Donald Trump elected. From all the stories that have been told about information leaks concerning the election process, the denials by the parties involved, the political muckraking which has been brought to light, and the blatant lying and criminal activities this year, I personally can not believe the tales being told by anyone. If the Russians did indeed have anything to do with all the information that has been brought to light, they should be highly commended for performing a great public service for the country. No one should ever have any questions again about the Democratic party being representative of the public as a whole. No way!

    The meeting tomorrow is supposed to be led by the head of the NIA, LTG (Ret) James Clapper. Before beginning to take the general's word concerning the issue, one should recall how he intentionally lied during questioning. The following information was extracted from Wikipedia as information concerning Clapper. (https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Clappe)


    False testimony to Congress on NSA surveillance programs[edit]
    File:Ron Wyden and James Clapper - 12 March 2013.webm
    Excerpt of James Clapper's testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
    On March 12, 2013, during a United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Senator Ron Wyden quoted the keynote speech at the 2012 DEF CON by the director of the NSA, Keith B. Alexander. Alexander had stated that "Our job is foreign intelligence" and that "Those who would want to weave the story that we have millions or hundreds of millions of dossiers on people, is absolutely false…From my perspective, this is absolute nonsense."
    W Senator Wyden then asked Clapper, "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" He responded "No, sir." Wyden asked "It does not?" and Clapper said "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly."[30] When Edward Snowden was asked during his January 26, 2014 TV interview in Moscow what the decisive moment was or why he blew the whistle, he replied: "Sort of the breaking point was seeing the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress. … Seeing that really meant for me there was no going back."[31]
    Admission and responses[edit]
    On June 5, 2013, The Guardian published the first of the global surveillance documents leaked by Edward Snowden, including a top secret court order showing that the NSA had collected phone records from over 120 million Verizon subscribers.[32] The following day, Director Clapper released a statement admitting the NSA collects telephony metadata on millions of Americans' telephone calls.[33] This metadata information included originating and terminating telephone number, telephone calling card number, International Mobile Station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, time, and duration of phone calls, but did not include the name, address or financial information of any subscriber.[34]
    On June 7, 2013, Clapper was interviewed by Andrea Mitchell on NBC. Clapper said that "I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner by saying no" when he testified.[35]

    On June 11, Sen. Wyden accused Clapper of not giving a "straight answer", noting that Clapper's office had been provided with the question a day in advance of the hearing and was given the opportunity following Clapper's testimony to amend his response.[36]
    On June 12, 2013, United States House of Representatives member Justin Amash became the first Congressman to openly accuse Director Clapper of criminal perjury, calling for his resignation. In a series of tweets he stated: "It now appears clear that the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, lied under oath to Congress and the American people," and "Perjury is a serious crime ... [and] Clapper should resign immediately,"[37] Senator Rand Paul said "The director of national intelligence, in March, did directly lie to Congress, which is against the law."[38] Paul later suggested that Clapper might deserve prison time for his testimony.[39]
    On June 27, 2013, a group of 26 senators sent him a complaint letter opposing the use of a "body of secret law".[40][41] On July 1, 2013, Clapper issued an apology, saying that "My response was clearly erroneous—for which I apologize."[42] On July 2, Clapper said that he had forgotten about the Patriot Act and therefore had given an "erroneous" answer.[43]
    The journalist Glenn Greenwald accused the media in the U.S. of focusing on Edward Snowden instead of focusing on wrongdoing by Clapper and other U.S. officials.[44] Jody Westby of Forbes argued that due to the revelations, the American public should ask Clapper to resign from office, arguing that "Not only did Mr. Clapper give false testimony to Congress, even his June 6 statement was false. We now know—since the companies identified by the Washington Post have started fessing up—that lots more than telephony metadata has been collected and searched."[45] Fred Kaplan of Slate also advocated having Clapper fired, arguing "if President Obama really welcomes an open debate on this subject, James Clapper has disqualified himself from participation in it. He has to go."[46] Andy Greenberg of Forbes said that NSA officials along with Clapper, in the years 2012 and 2013 "publicly denied–often with carefully hedged words–participating in the kind of snooping on Americans that has since become nearly undeniable."[30] John Dean, former White House Counsel for President Nixon, has claimed that it is unlikely Clapper would be charged with the three principal criminal statutes that address false statements to Congress: perjury, obstruction of Congress, and making false statements.[47] David Sirota of Salon said that if the U.S. government fails to treat Clapper and Alexander in the same way as it did Roger Clemens, "the message from the government would be that lying to Congress about baseball is more of a felony than lying to Congress about Americans’ Fourth Amendment rights" and that the "message would declare that when it comes to brazen law-breaking, as long as you are personally connected to the president, you get protection rather than the prosecution you deserve."[48]
    On December 19, 2013, seven Republican members of the House Judiciary Committee called on attorney general Eric Holder to investigate Clapper, saying that "witnesses cannot be allowed to lie to Congress."[49] In January 2014, Robert Litt, the general counsel to the Office of the DNI, stated that Clapper did not lie to Congress,[50] and in May 2015 clarified that Clapper "had absolutely forgotten the existence of" section 215 of the Patriot Act.[51]
    In January 2014, six members of the House of Representatives wrote[52] to President Obama urging him to dismiss Clapper for lying to Congress,[53][54] but were rebuffed by the White House.[55] Caitlin Hayden, a White House spokesperson, said in an e-mailed statement that Obama has "full faith in Director Clapper’s leadership of the intelligence community. The Director has provided an explanation for his answers to Senator Wyden and made clear that he did not intend to mislead the Congress."[55]
    Ban on employee contacts with the media[edit]
    In March 2014, Clapper banned employees of the intelligence community from unauthorized contact with reporters.[56] The next month he implemented a new pre-publication review policy for the ODNI's current and former employees that prohibits them from citing news reports based on leaks in their unofficial writings.[57]

    From the information above, would anyone care to venture a guess on Russia being blamed for hacking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post

    From the information above, would anyone care to venture a guess on Russia being blamed for hacking?
    So this means you think the Russians are honest and trustworthy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    So this means you think the Russians are honest and trustworthy?
    Absolutely not! The problem is that we are just as crooked as they are and our own government lies to us. It is a difficult thing to believe in anything put out by the government and, even if it was discovered by hacking, it has been shown that the U.S. does everything we accuse the Russians of. Rather tit for tat, don't you think?


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    Hillary pissed Putin off a couple of years ago, so he order hacks to screw up her chances of being President. The one this she wanted more that anything in the whole world, her dream of forever fame.

    Well played Vladimir Putin!

  6. Quote Originally Posted by SR9 View Post
    Hillary pissed Putin off a couple of years ago, so he order hacks to screw up her chances of being President. The one this she wanted more that anything in the whole world, her dream of forever fame.

    Well played Vladimir Putin!

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    From everything we know from U.S. intelligence, Russia did less to influence the U.S. election than Obama did to influence the Israeli elections in his attempt to have PM Benjamin Netanyahu defeated. So I believe that any punitive measures Congress imposes on Putin and his allies should likewise be imposed against Barack Obama and his allies. Fair is fair! No presidential pension for Obama maybe?
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    From what I've read, Obama had the State Dept. give $350,000 to a group to go against PM Benjamin Netanyahu.
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  8. Repeating a post on another thread .

    our current government couldn't figure out who, how, when, where, nor what was going on with Hillary Clinton's emails that she leaked to foreign rogue governments, but now these same officials can positively say the Russian government leaked the proof of corruption about the democrat party?

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    Clapper was almost certainly playing a game of semantics. It's likely that when questioned, he interpreted "any type of data" as actual content of conversations or messages. Metadata isn't the same thing as content. Whether or not he chose that route deliberately is a matter for debate, and obviously the point of the OP. But as far as the title of the topic is concerned, "Who is Lying About Russian Hacking?", the topic of Clapper's credibility isn't really a key issue. The report released made it abundantly clear they have no concrete evidence proving Russia had anything to do with the hacking. They're just guessing based on the past history of Russian activity. The report actually makes that point numerous times, as I outlined here. The media is just treating the report as conclusive when it's nothing of the sort. Playing a semantics game with Clapper's credibility really isn't critically necessary in my opinion, and I think it somewhat detracts with the main issue that they don't have any concrete evidence that Russia was involved with the hacking of Clinton and the DNC.
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    I think this very telling as well:
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    Thousands of emails from the servers and Chairman John Podesta’s device were stolen, then made public during the race, which Clinton lost to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.
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    But the FBI’s repeated requests for access to the devices were denied....
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    ...Comey acknowledged Tuesday that the Republican National Committee also was hacked but only with “limited penetration.”
    Comey: FBI denied repeated requests to access DNC servers, Podesta?s device | Fox News
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    Funny how that seems to be mostly missing from mainstream media reports.
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