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    My hope for sanity in the WH was premature, I guess: Trump team asks court to postpone travel ban hearing on merits. This defense filing is an appeal with the 9th Circuit Court, which asks for an en banc ruling on the TRO. This would delay the legal proceedings on the merits of the EO by about 1-2 weeks and focus it on the TRO only.

    This is a gamble that the Trump administration will likely lose. They would get a do-over in terms of making arguments, but the fundamental Constitutional issues with the original EO remain. The plaintiffs get a do-over too. The judiciary in general airs on the side of caution when it comes to reinstating an EO that creates chaos and confusion. The 9th Circuit likely won't change its position with different/more judges. It will focus on maintaining status quo.

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    72 convicted in U.S. terror cases came from nations targeted for vetting


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    72 convicted in U.S. terror cases came from nations targeted for vetting


    Commented on it in this thread.

    Also, Three Pinocchios by the WaPo on this one: Stephen Miller’s claim that 72 from banned countries were implicated in ‘terroristic activity’

    The list does include some people who were convicted of providing material support, such as money or personnel, to groups that are designated as terrorist organizations, such as al-Shabab and al-Qaeda. But it also includes people who were convicted of passport fraud, visa fraud and making fraudulent claims to federal investigators. About two dozen people on this list were not charged with any crimes relating to providing material support to known or suspected terrorist activities or organizations.

    Others were believed to be tangentially related to terrorism groups abroad, but did not face terrorism charges. Regardless of the direct or tangential ties that investigators believe each individual may have to terrorist activities, these charges need to be proven in a court of law. Suspected or potential terror links involving these 72 individuals do not confirm Miller’s claim that they were “implicated in terrorist activity.”

    Moreover, some people on this list entered the United States — many of them naturalized — decades before they were charged with any of the crimes. That makes Miller’s use of this list to defend Trump’s executive order quite questionable. We award Three Pinocchios.

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    From Federal judge says court proceedings will continue on Trump’s travel ban:

    U.S. District Judge James Robart ordered both sides in the legal battle to continue on Monday, and reportedly expressed surprise that the White House had even requested a delay since Trump declared “SEE YOU IN COURT” on Twitter last week.
    That means that the en banc review of the TRO will not hold up the legal proceedings on the merits. I guess the Trump administration needs to regroup again. As I mentioned before, there is that discovery phase, where the plaintiffs could ask for any and all communication of the Trump campaign on the subject of the EO. There is no executive privilege for that information.

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    More problems for the WH. A Federal Judge in Virginia has issued a preliminary injunction against President Trump's EO that applies to Virginia only. From
    Federal judge in Virginia issues strong rebuke of Trump travel ban:

    A federal judge in Alexandria has issued a preliminary injunction against President Trump’s travel ban, dealing another blow to the White House attempt to bar residents of seven predominantly Muslim countries from entering the United States.

    The executive order, Judge Leonie M. Brinkema concluded, probably violates the First Amendment’s protections for freedom of religion.

    Brinkema’s order applies only to Virginia residents and students, or employees of Virginia schools. A nationwide freeze has been in place for several days, having been issued in Washington state and upheld by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.

    In her opinion, Brinkema wrote that the Commonwealth of Virginia “has produced unrebutted evidence” that the order “was not motivated by rational national security concerns” but “religious prejudice” toward Muslims. She cited Trump’s statements before taking office, as well as an interview in which former New York City mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani (R) said that the president wanted a “Muslim ban.”

    “The ‘Muslim Ban’ was a centerpiece of the president’s campaign for months, and the press release calling for it was still available on his website as of the day this Memorandum Opinion is being entered,” Brinkema wrote.
    This injunction specifically argues that the EO is un-Constitutional as it violates the 1st Amendment through religious prejudice.

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    From Reuters | Appeals court suspends proceedings over Trump travel ban:

    A U.S. appeals court on Thursday suspended proceedings over President Donald Trump's travel ban for individuals from seven Muslim-majority countries, after Trump announced a new executive order would come soon.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals had been mulling whether to reconsider its ruling temporarily suspending Trump's directive. In a court order, the 9th Circuit said it would put that process on hold pending further developments.

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    A Great Day for America

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    Trump isn’t a godly person, yet neither was Nebuchadnezzar and other kings and leaders the Lord chose down through the centuries to do great things to serve great purposes. God can use Donald Trump to accomplish what the Lord wants accomplished. Considering the 180-degree course change this nation has embarked upon in this presidential election, it is, I believe, an understatement to say that God must be up to something big with the election of Donald J. Trump, something profound. - Terry James -






    “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done. saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure".

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    From CNBC | Not so urgent anymore? Trump's new travel ban delayed:

    President Donald Trump was barely in office when he signed an executive order restricting immigration from seven Muslim-majority nations. There was not a moment to waste, he said, because any delay would allow the "bad dudes" to rush into the U.S.

    Then federal courts struck down his ban. The White House said a new version would be coming.

    That was a month ago. The urgency seems to have faded.

    There has been no further legal appeal. And announcement of a replacement order has been repeatedly postponed, a reflection of legal difficulties, shifting administration priorities and politics. It now won't be unveiled until next week at the earliest, says a White House official.

    "The holdup flies in the face of the mythology as to why they needed to rush the bill in the first place," said Doris Meissner, who was head of the Immigration and Naturalization Service for President Bill Clinton. "It was a contrived argument and a reflection of inexperience and a rush to fulfill a campaign promise."

    The delay stands in stark contrast to the ban's rollout, a swift action designed as the centerpiece of a barrage of executive orders to set a bold tone for the Trump administration's first days.

    Trump signed it late on a Friday afternoon, prompting widespread protests at the nation's airports while hardening battle lines between the president's supporters and opponents. But the rushed order, composed with little outside consultation, drew fierce bipartisan criticism as federal agencies, foreign governments and travelers were left confused to its contents, creating chaos at airports and leaving the White House to defend the rollout by saying that its speed was necessary.

    "If we waited five days, 10 days, six months to begin establishing the first series of controls, we would be leaving the homeland unnecessarily vulnerable," said senior policy adviser Stephen Miller who, along with chief strategist Steve Bannon, was the architect of the ban.

    But the unveiling of a new order has been postponed at least three times since then, and the White House has shifted its tone on the ban — in part by not talking about it.

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    It seems to me that this EO was nothing more than trying to fulfill a nonsensical campaign promise that the then one out-of-many Republican Presidential Candidate did without knowing much about the topic in the first place. This EO created a week of chaos and confusion at US airports and border crossings and did nothing to protect this nation. I would argue that it did harm, at least economically, but probably also from a national security stand point.

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    New EO to be signed today.

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    The new EO can be read here: The White House | Executive Order Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States. Read it! You will be surprised. This is an actually well written EO.

    I still think that this is more about keeping a campaign promise than about national security, after all we shouldn't let anyone in that we can't vet properly, no matter from which country they are coming from. That is how our border protection and immigration system should work in the first place.

    The EO is motivated by specific terror-prone countries and then adds waivers. It doesn't consider the current state of our vetting system and its past failures. It doesn't consider past failures of law enforcement and intelligence services either. The reason why it doesn't is because it is close to impossible to fix the vetting system with an EO in the first place.

    The damage the first EO did is done, however. Many visitors to the US have been scared away, business opportunities have been impacted, and President Trump positioned himself as anti-immigtrant. The coffers of the ALCU have been filled and the masses have been mobilized. None of this was needed.

    Edit: Needless to say, this EO will still be challenged in court, mainly using President Trump's past statements on a religion-based ban. This EO is written in a way that it would make any reasonable arguments against it not stand in court. However, nothing is reasonable these days when President Trump is involved.

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