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    In that case, I would expect you to make some cogent argument against my stance.
    How can I make an argument against vague implications?

    This is the second thread in which you have called me a fool.
    Neither time did I call you a fool. Each time I listed a position that I suggest is held by fools. That doesn't say that all people who hold that position are fools, just that fools hold that position. I am usually very careful about what I say.

    Now if you want to list some specifics, some actual facts, we can have a discussion. There is no discussion possible of vague unsupported innuendo.
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    I've got an idea that I bet even our new Prez could get behind.

    How about we open Gitmo up to all of US for all of OUR family reunions?! Sun, sand, and plenty of families rotating through the schedule - and we "strongly encourage" all those who would otherwise wish to do us harm to attend each and every family reunion... you know - share some up close and personal American charm with them all.

    They'll either all want to kill us even more than they already do, or they'll crack up realizing the waterboard was easy when compared to brain-numbing story after story, arguments, flat out brawls, and so much good food they'll all need larger jump suits...

    A kinder, gentler approach to you know, embracing and taking care of those who'd just as soon slit all our throats as look at us.

    I call the second weekend in February! Maybe my ol' Aunt Lucy can ignite another fiery prison romance!?

    Although, it was so warm today I had to run my AC in my truck... so maybe some of y'all that are freezing your wankers off might want February in Cuba... just think of all the JOBS we could create turning all those waterboards into picnic tables and what not? Hussein Obama has GOT to be diggin' on this idea! It rocks!
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    Sounds good to me. I'd love to visit Gitmo. Maybe I could help out with some of that waterboarding. They've at most only done 3 and I think many more than that could be carried out.
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    Exclamation Check my posts, Jim.

    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    How can I make an argument against vague implications?

    Neither time did I call you a fool. Each time I listed a position that I suggest is held by fools. That doesn't say that all people who hold that position are fools, just that fools hold that position. I am usually very careful about what I say.

    Now if you want to list some specifics, some actual facts, we can have a discussion. There is no discussion possible of vague unsupported innuendo.
    Jeez, Jim. Of all of the things that you could call me, I don't think that vague is one of them. I invite you to take a look at my posts. I spend a lot of time thinking, and then I spend a lot of time typing (not quick like the younger folk). I am not implying that that torture is wrong: I am stating it as a plain fact. If waterboarding a U.S. citizen is wrong, then waterboarding is wrong. If waterboarding YOU is wrong, then waterboarding anyone is wrong. The America that I love does not torture people.

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    Of all of the things that you could call me, I don't think that vague is one of them.
    I can't think of anything that better fits. I haven't seen a single specific fact presented with all your attacks on the US (Bush Administration). You talk all around a subject without ever actually taking a firm position with facts.

    I am not implying that that torture is wrong: I am stating it as a plain fact.
    Yet you've neither defined torture or presented any evidence of it taking place.

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    If waterboarding a U.S. citizen is wrong,
    Is it? Why then are members of our military and some others allowed to experience it?

    The America that I love does not torture people.
    So? What is the evidence that it does or it has?
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    Come on, Jim. READ!

    Jim, I have cited several instances. Here is one more:

    Torture, Cover-Up At Gitmo? , Former Translator Says Prisoner Interrogations Were Staged For VIPs - CBS News

    This was all the way back in 2005. I'm not asking you to believe some crazy socialist party member or the ACLU. This is a professional member of the United States Army. There is also written correspondence from agents of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    You said "You talk all around a subject without ever actually taking a firm position with facts." You have got to be joking. How can you mistake "Waterboarding is torture." with not taking a firm position. I posted that on 1/17/09. Of course, the US governments view in 1947 was that waterboarding is torture. That is the year that we convicted former Japanese soldier Yukio Asano to 15 years hard labor for doing just that. In 1968 we convicted one of our own for torturing a suspected vietcong..... by waterboarding. I've attached the picture that convicted him.

    You said "I haven't seen a single specific fact presented with all your attacks on the US (Bush Administration)." First, please allow me to clarify a point for you: The Bush Administration is NOT the United States. Now some of your rote blathering makes sense. Trust me, Jim; just because some politician says something doesn't make it true. Not even if you like that particular politician.

    A bit of advice; you should try to deconstruct what ALL politicians say. I actually start with the ones that I like. I want to make sure that I actually understand and agree with their statements before I echo them. Additionally, I never even mentioned the Bush administration on any of the threads we have been arguing on, and I don't think that I've mentioned him by name on any others. Truth be told, I DON'T like him. I don't think that he has been honest with us, and I have seen a lot of liberties lost on his watch. In fact, I have not had a president that I really respected since Reagan.

    You said, in regards to waterboarding being wrong, "Is it? Why then are members of our military and some others allowed to experience it?" Well, how about these: First, they volunteered for it. Second, they KNEW that they were being monitored and that they wouldn't die. Third, their friends, family, and government know where they are, so they can't just "disappear".

    Got it yet?
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    Well, how about these: First, they volunteered for it. Second, they KNEW that they were being monitored and that they wouldn't die. Third, their friends, family, and government know where they are, so they can't just "disappear".
    So now you seem to imply that people are "disappearing" due to the US government? Do you pay any attention to what you are saying?
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    It's called "Gitmo", Jim.

    What is wrong with you? We "disappeared" a few hundred to Gitmo and wouldn't even release their identities to the other intelligence agencies involved in the investigations. Stated, not implied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomboy007 View Post
    What is wrong with you? We "disappeared" a few hundred to Gitmo and wouldn't even release their identities to the other intelligence agencies involved in the investigations. Stated, not implied.
    Really? Any evidence of that? Real evidence I mean, not accusations and imaginations by the left wing MSM.
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    Question Were you out of the country for a few years after 9/11?

    Come on, Jim. Really? You are going to HAVE to stay better informed:

    In Guantanamo Bay Documents, Prisoners Plead for Release

    Notice the date on the article? March of 2006.

    "The documents are the first public accounting by the Pentagon of who is held at Guantanamo Bay. Previously, the Pentagon blacked out all names when it released such documents."

    Five years after most of them were captured. Five years with no trial, no legal representation, not even a charge.Please don't tell me that you were unaware of this. The Brits were super pissed because we would not even tell them the identities of the British Citizens that we took, and they were in-country fighting with us.

    Come on, this is not the "American Way". It certainly isn't what our forefathers had in mind.

    One more. Notice the date!

    http://www.rcfp.org/news/2006/0124-foi-guanta.html
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