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    Biggest scandal in presidential history.

    Obama used NSA to spy on GOP presidential campaign and then to leak info to undermine Trump presidency.
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    1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
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    2. July: Russia joke. WikiLeaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.
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    3. October: Podesta emails. In October, WikiLeaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.
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    4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
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    5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.
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    6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
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    7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the existence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.
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    8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.
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    9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.
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    10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.
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    I was already wondering how long it will take for you to respond to the fake news of the day. You didn't provide the source, which is a story by Breitbart, and you missed one part:

    3:35 AM, 4 March 2017: President Trump tweets: "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"
    As usual, there is likely a little truth to this story and a lot of made up stuff. What is hilarious is that President Trump apparently doesn't know what McCarthyism is. Otherwise, he would realize that he is engaging in it with his tweet.

    In any case, the lemmings have been steered to a new story that will keep them occupied for a few days, until the Trump administration or the media comes up with the next one. Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

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    I don't know which is worse, quoting Lindsey Graham or Breitbart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonM0710 View Post
    I don't know which is worse, quoting Lindsey Graham or Breitbart?
    You may want to read and understand what Lindsey Graham said. opsspec1991's title for this thread is highly accurate for once. There are basically three options:

    • President Trump was not being wiretapped. He is lying to the American people and accusing President Obama of a crime without evidence.
    • President Trump was being illegally wiretapped. He is right and President Obama committed a crime.
    • President Trump was being legally wiretapped. He is misleading the public and there was enough evidence to warrant a wire tap with using FISA.

    Any of these scenarios count as the biggest scandal in Presidential history. Lindsey Graham just listed two of these scenarios. It could have been Ernie from Sesame Street that said what Lindsey Graham said, and it wouldn't make it less true.

    It will be interesting to see where this is going. The usual mode of D.C. is to do some chest thumping, call for a Congressional investigation, and then do nothing. The left wing media will continue to portrait President Trump as a lunatic and President Obama as a savior, just with more evidence for their argument. The right wing media will continue to portrait President Trump as a savior and President Obama as a criminal, just with more evidence for their argument. The "biggest scandal in Presidential history" will never be investigated, that's my best guess.

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    This obsession with BHO is phenomenal.

  8. If in fact he was being wiretapped, i would bet on a FISA (legal) tap. No one has to go full Nixon when you can hide behind the secrecy of the FISA court. Never been any abuses there.


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    If there was a wiretap it would be scandalous and criminal. Then the question would be who knew and what and when.

    If there was not a wiretap then this could be the beginning of a hew and cry for impeachment due to mental incapacity.

    Somebody should definitely take away DJT's cell phone so he can't tweet. Jeeze !!!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    If there was a wiretap it would be scandalous and criminal. Then the question would be who knew and what and when.

    If there was not a wiretap then this could be the beginning of a hew and cry for impeachment due to mental incapacity.

    Somebody should definitely take away DJT's cell phone so he can't tweet. Jeeze !!!
    Obama will be well shielded from any infractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewitt View Post
    Obama will be well shielded from any infractions.
    I doubt anybody will be shielded from any felonies.

    Just because Nixon was not prosecuted for felonies does not mean he could not be.

    Everyone was just glad to be rid of him.

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