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    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    And you're OK with that? They are circumventing the law and you know that, just to obtain more Democrat votes.
    As I said, it sounds like they are complying with the letter of the law. Either the law needs to be changed, or the card needs to be changed to indicate immigration status...which raises a whole other set of civil liberty issues....not that Republicans are worried about civil liberties when it comes to voter suppression.

    "The Illinois Election Code requires the Board of Elections to accept current, valid photo identification cards and other local governmental documentation that includes an individual’s name and address, as proof of identity and residency," Valencia’s letter reads in part. 'The CityKey fits both of these requirements.'"
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    So good luck with that.
    Evangelical Christians have traded in their morality for a lust for power. Never let them pretend they have the moral high ground!

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    Immigrants Are Getting the Right to Vote in Cities Across America
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    By John Haltiwanger
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    A Maryland city voted Tuesday night to enfranchise noncitizens, the latest in a growing effort to expand immigrant voting rights.
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    With a tie-breaking vote from the mayor, the City Council in College Park approved the measure to allow undocumented immigrants, student visa holders and residents with green cards to vote in local elections, The Washington Post reports.
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    Several other cities in Maryland already allow noncitizens to vote locally. Chicago and San Francisco also offer limited noncitizen voting. The trend runs counter to the anti-immigration sentiment in many areas of the country, but supporters say residents of cities and towns should have a say in how their government operates, whether they are citizens or not.
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    "The mayor and City Council are not deciding national policy. We make decisions about trash pickup, snow removal and equipment for the parks," College Park Councilwoman Christine Nagle told The New York Times in August. "We have shared concerns with our neighbors regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens."
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    The measure to expand voting to noncitizens was introduced in June and reportedly led to fierce debate over the summer. That culminated in a divisive discussion that lasted several hours and featured arguments centering more on the broader national debate on immigration than local issues like sanitation.
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    To vote in College Park, noncitizens must be 18 and can't be registered to vote in another jurisdiction or serving a prison sentence for a felony, among several other restrictions.
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    College Park, which is just outside of Washington, D.C., is a diverse city of a 32,000 people, with roughly 21 percent foreign born, Census figures show. The city is also home to the University of Maryland, which has approximately 3,600 international students representing over 150 countries.

    Noncitizen voting is also legal in two other cities in Prince Georges County—Hyattsville and Mount Rainier—as well as the neighboring Montgomery County cities of Takoma Park, Barnesville, Garrett Park, Glen Echo, Martin’s Additions and Somerset.
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    Noncitizens are still barred from voting in federal and statewide elections, but municipalities have discretion to override that on a local level. Chicago, for example, allows noncitizens to vote in local school council elections, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. And San Francisco voted last November to allow noncitizens—even the undocumented—to vote in school board elections if they have children in the school district.
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    Noncitizen voting has many opponents, but it was actually the norm in the United States from 1776 until 1926, when 40 states and federal territories allowed noncitizens to vote in local, state and sometimes federal elections, according to Ron Hayduk, a political scientist at San Francisco State University.
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    "For most of America’s history and in the vast majority of the USA, voting by noncitizens was the norm, not the exception," he says.
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    The trend slowed, however, amid a tide of immigration to the U.S. from Asia and Eastern Europe, prompting nativist fears, says Hayduk, who supports noncitizen voting.
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    It's not "so outlandish," he says, given that noncitizens pay taxes. "No taxation without representation" was the rallying cry for the American Revolution, he points out.
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    Read More: Immigrants Are Getting the Right to Vote in Cities Across America
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    My Thoughts:
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    It doesn’t take much to realize why this is happening, the Democrats need the illegal alien voters, because they are losing the American citizen voting bloc.
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    WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ICE Agents at Polling Stations During Elections?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ICE Agents at Polling Stations During Elections?
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niceshootintex View Post
    Why?

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    That would be the Trump Administration....they would do it for the same reasons they're arresting undocumented immigrants at schools while dropping off their children, hospitals seeking treatment for injuries, church services, and even immigration offices as they file paperwork to get or maintain legal residence. Its the same reason they will separate an Assylum seeking Congolese mother and her 7 year old child by 2,000 miles after seeking Assylum at the Mexican-American border. Because they are racist and have no human decency.

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    Evangelical Christians have traded in their morality for a lust for power. Never let them pretend they have the moral high ground!

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    Quote Originally Posted by niceshootintex View Post
    Why?

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    It was a pun on the thought that illegal aliens wouldn't be voting illegally for the Democrats if there was an ICE officer there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S&W29 View Post
    That would be the Trump Administration....they would do it for the same reasons they're arresting undocumented immigrants at schools while dropping off their children, hospitals seeking treatment for injuries, church services, and even immigration offices as they file paperwork to get or maintain legal residence. Its the same reason they will separate an Assylum seeking Congolese mother and her 7 year old child by 2,000 miles after seeking Assylum at the Mexican-American border. Because they are racist and have no human decency.

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    Just look at the number of illegals that ICE arrested in CA last week, 135 were pre convicted felons of various federal crimes and were supposed to be deported. These are the one's ICE is targeting, they don't have the time or man power to bother with the one's you're talking about.
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    Are these 135 the one's you want to allow to stay here and commit additional crimes against our citizens as well as other illegal aliens?
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    doing what he loved being a Navy SEAL

  9. Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    It was a pun on the thought that illegal aliens wouldn't be voting illegally for the Democrats if there was an ICE officer there.
    You have to strike a balance between ensuring the rules are in place and enforced by election officials and for not suppressing voters with overt law or military oversight. I get your point and I'm completely in agreement with illegal (not undocumented) immigrants never being allowed to vote.

    I actually think an effort to stop illegal workers from having access to jobs, unless they possess a valid work visa, would stop many of these voting concerns. That effort begins with our government and American businesses. We always treat the symptoms and never the root cause. These illegal immigrants are men with families in the majority of cases and they want jobs. Document them and let them work and hold businesses accountable for their validated workers from entry to exit from America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niceshootintex View Post
    You have to strike a balance between ensuring the rules are in place and enforced by election officials and for not suppressing voters with overt law or military oversight. I get your point and I'm completely in agreement with illegal (not undocumented) immigrants never being allowed to vote.

    I actually think an effort to stop illegal workers from having access to jobs, unless they possess a valid work visa, would stop many of these voting concerns. That effort begins with our government and American businesses. We always treat the symptoms and never the root cause. These illegal immigrants are men with families in the majority of cases and they want jobs. Document them and let them work and hold businesses accountable for their validated workers from entry to exit from America.

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    The first start to holding businesses accountable would be that they are required to verify them with the E-verify system. I do under stand the job magnet that this country has on the illegal aliens, but it's a fact that they do undermine the citizens here that would like to have those low wage jobs that they take up, so who should come first.
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    Dedicated to my brother in law who died
    doing what he loved being a Navy SEAL

  11. Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    The first start to holding businesses accountable would be that they are required to verify them with the E-verify system. I do under stand the job magnet that this country has on the illegal aliens, but it's a fact that they do undermine the citizens here that would like to have those low wage jobs that they take up, so who should come first.
    I literally do not know a single person that is good with picking crops in a field. Not one. About 2 million illegal immigrants pick crops in America and I'm pretty sure they have the market cornered on a job that few Americans would do. Same goes for most landscaping jobs and kitchen staff at restaurants. There are a lot of jobs that we would gladly hand over with a functioning work visa program.

    A day in the strawberry fields seems like forever

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