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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Gee, what a shock!

    The only thing that surprises me is that he hasn't started yet.
    Glad to here from you. Hope you are doing better.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Perhaps we should all remember this...

    545 PEOPLE
    By Charlie Reese

    Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.


    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of representatives does.

    You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall.
    No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.
    The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party.
    She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red .

    If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power.

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    ======================================

    Back to me . . .

    Personally (and I've mentioned this elsewhere before), I think the days of "Democrat" and "Republican" need to come to a close. More correctly, we need to differentiate between "Liberal" and "Conservative", especially in light of the few Conservative Democrats we have and the (regrettably increasingly large number of) Liberal Republicans there are. Then again, we have another issue...

    It seems that the differences between the Democrats and the Republicans are slim, at best. It's almost like having a nickle - we have "Heads" and we have "Tails", but whichever way you flip it it's still the same old coin. We've had "these" ******** in charge, and we've had "those" ******** in charge, and we never seem to do any better.

    In my opinion, what we need is a whole new set of ********.

    .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    545 PEOPLE
    By Charlie Reese

    Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.


    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of representatives does.

    You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall.
    No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.
    The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party.
    She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red .

    If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power.

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    ======================================

    Back to me . . .

    Personally (and I've mentioned this elsewhere before), I think the days of "Democrat" and "Republican" need to come to a close. More correctly, we need to differentiate between "Liberal" and "Conservative", especially in light of the few Conservative Democrats we have and the (regrettably increasingly large number of) Liberal Republicans there are. Then again, we have another issue...

    It seems that the differences between the Democrats and the Republicans are slim, at best. It's almost like having a nickle - we have "Heads" and we have "Tails", but whichever way you flip it it's still the same old coin. We've had "these" ******** in charge, and we've had "those" ******** in charge, and we never seem to do any better.

    In my opinion, what we need is a whole new set of ********.

    .


    +1. The 545 i.e. both parties are all puppets and their puppet masters pull their strings. They care not what their constituents that vote them in want. The massive bail outs that we told them to vote no on are a good example.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  5. #14
    Add another plus + to that post of Ektarr. It just amazes me some of the people keep getting elected... RE .. John Conyers from Detroit... Has been around since 1965... The dinosaur Barney, 1981 and in the Financial Services. I believe there was a solid reason that the "House" has a two year term.
    Semper Fi

  6. #15

    Exclamation

    "Doesn't anyone call a lie a lie any more?" Nope, lie has been replaced by the word change!

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    I move for a vote of "no confidence" in our standing government, they all need to go, those that were effective can re-run if they so choose but all the anti-Constitution butt wipes need to be barred from ever serving in a public office again. Well that kind of sums it up doesn't it, serve in public office, not run a public office, but serve, food for thought.

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    Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    0bama believes in the Constitution, as a whole, but he's talked several times about how it should have been rewitten because it focuses on limiting what the federal government can do, instead of giving it more authority.
    The founders wrote the constitution to keep the government with limited power not to grant power to it. They were very much aware of a tyranical government as they were experiencing it from brittain. The constitution was to keep the government out of quite a bit of issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landavazoaj View Post
    The founders wrote the constitution to keep the government with limited power not to grant power to it. They were very much aware of a tyranical government as they were experiencing it from brittain. The constitution was to keep the government out of quite a bit of issues.
    You and I know this. But 0bama spoke on NPR in Chicago saying he felt the Constitution doesn't give the FedGov enough power.

    Funny thing is, the NPR interview was about reparations for descendants of slaves.

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