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    No laws have passed, but Virginia communities keep declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries

    Hundreds chanted and called for the Virginia Beach City Council to declare the city a Second Amendment sanctuary on Tuesday night.

    The meeting was so packed city hall reached capacity and many had to stay outside.

    "People are just activated now. They don't want any more gun control and they're standing up and pushing back hard against this," said Philip Van Cleave, the president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League said.

    So far, city council members haven't taken any actions, but in Gloucester County the Board of Supervisors passed a resolution declaring the county a sanctuary.

    While newly-elected majorities in the General Assembly have proposed gun bills, nothing has been passed so far.

    "They're trying to get out ahead of it, and this is one of those issues where you can galvanize the public," said Dr. Ben Melusky, a political science professor from Old Dominion University.

    The distinction means the local governments would not use local resources to prosecute anti-gun laws, but state laws would still supersede the local governments. "This is really all the localities can do to offer some kind of resistance," said Melusky.

    Norfolk Del. Jay Jones has asked Attorney General Mark Herring to weigh in on what exactly the sanctuary status means. On Wednesday, a spokesperson said Herring's opinion is still pending, but said the resolutions appear to be just symbolic.

    Pro-second amendment advocates appear to be most concerned about SB16. The bill proposed by Sen. **** Saslaw would expand the definition of an assault firearm and make it a felony to sell or possess one, punishable as a felony.

    It remains unclear whether a bill like that could actually pass in the General Assembly. "Whether the actual complete ban on assault weapons actually makes it through, I think we'll have to see what the narrative is around it," said Melusky.

    Lawmakers head back to Richmond next month.

    As for Virginia Beach, the next steps are uncertain. City Councilman John Moss said they'll need to find a bigger venue for the next time the issue is addressed.

    "While newly-elected majorities in the General Assembly have proposed gun bills, nothing has been passed so far.

    "They're trying to get out ahead of it, and this is one of those issues where you can galvanize the public," said Dr. Ben Melusky, a political science professor from Old Dominion University.

    The distinction means the local governments would not use local resources to prosecute anti-gun laws, but state laws would still supersede the local governments. "This is really all the localities can do to offer some kind of resistance," said Melusky.

    Pro-second amendment advocates appear to be most concerned about SB16. The bill proposed by Sen. **** Saslaw would expand the definition of an assault firearm and make it a felony to sell or possess one, punishable as a felony."

    Read More: https://wtkr.com/2019/12/04/no-laws-have-passed-but-virginia-communities-keep-declaring-themselves-second-amendment-sanctuaries/?fbclid=IwAR3nEnsbaqH4q8E_H6OFBaL9yZtHhdc5kXQn8hTt jbbS2f-X7Ksk6v4qpFU

    My Thoughts:

    No state has the manpower to enforce such laws (or any laws) without relying on local (county, city, town) law enforcement. A sheriff is the primary law enforcement officer for a county and if they refuse to enforce an illegal law within their county then it won't be enforced. It also sends a message to the legislature that they would be smart to listen to. But then if they were smart they wouldn't propose such laws.

    Gloucester County passed that bill 7 to 0 and Mathews County is in the process of doing the same. Overall there are over 70 places in VA that have passed this local bill.

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    Gun Ban in Virginia Explained, Dec. 7, 2019

    In just a few short weeks three bills prefiled with the Virginia Senate will be offered to the Va. Senate floor, and are likely to go to a vote during the first twelve days of the new legislative year.

    Video: https://youtu.be/nWLfHTPdA4k

    My Thoughts:

    This short educational video is excellent. If you don't know what the 2nd amendment sanctuary county movement is about or what the newly proposed gun laws are or you just want to know more PLEASE watch this!! No matter which side of this issue you find yourself on.

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    Northam-backed assault weapon bill will include ‘grandfather clause’ for existing guns

    A pending assault weapon ban backed by Gov. Ralph Northam will include a provision allowing Virginians to keep firearms they already have, the governor’s office said Monday.

    Banning the sale of military-style weaponry commonly used in mass shootings was a key element of the gun-control agenda Virginia Democrats successfully ran on this year. But party leaders had yet to lay out a clear position on how they intend to deal with legally purchased guns already in circulation.

    “In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period,” Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in a statement Monday evening. “Additional details on this and all other bills will be announced prior to the start of the upcoming session.”

    Though legislation for the 2020 General Assembly session is still being written, gun-rights supporters have directed a wave of outrage at an early draft of a bill filed by incoming Senate Majority Leader **** Saslaw, D-Fairfax. Saslaw’s legislation would have made it a felony to possess an pistol, rifle or shotgun that falls under its “assault weapon” definition after the bill takes effect and didn’t appear to make any exceptions for gun owners who already have them.

    In a brief phone interview Monday night, Saslaw said the bill he filed won’t be the main assault weapon proposal and will be amended at a later date. Asked about the governor’s support for grandfathering in existing weapons, Saslaw said “that would make sense.”

    “I’m not going to lock up a large part of Virginia,” Saslaw said.

    The comments from the two Democratic leaders seem to lay out a path forward for how an assault weapon ban will be implemented in Virginia, where Democrats just won full control of the state legislature for the first time in a generation.

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    Amherst County residents raise their hands to show support for their county’s “Second Amendment Sanctuary” resolution. November 19, 2019. (Graham Moomaw/Virginia Mercury)

    The new Democratic majorities are expected to pass a variety of gun restrictions, including universal background checks, red flag laws that would allow authorities to take guns from people deemed dangerous and reinstatement of a one-handgun-a-month law. Polls have found broad support for those measures, and Democratic lawmakers made them a centerpiece of their 2019 election campaigns as they ousted GOP majorities that have spent years blocking efforts to tighten the state’s gun laws.

    But the proposed ban on particular types of firearms — and the prospect of criminal charges for gun owners who didn’t give them up — seemed to stoke the strongest outrage in the 40-plus rural localities that have declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries within the past few weeks. Of the dozens of bills already filed for the session that begins in January, Saslaw’s assault weapon bill was the most-read, according to the state’s online legislative system.

    Some Democrats had already suggested that the assault weapon bill drawing the most attention may not turn out to be the final product.

    “I think what’s filed may not necessarily be what’s passed,” incoming House Majority Leader Charniele Herring, D-Alexandria, told reporters last week at a Virginia Press Association event.

    In an email to supporters Monday, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, the staunchly pro-gun group fueling the gun sanctuary movement in the state, said Saslaw’s bill was “a bridge too far” and was likely to be swapped out for something that included a grandfather clause. But the group made clear that it will continue to oppose any assault weapon ban and reject anything presented as a compromise.

    “Who are WE to negotiate away the right of future generations to own AR-15s, or their equivalent, and magazines of whatever capacity they want?,” the VCDL email said. “Who are WE to give away the right of future generations to protect themselves from criminals or from a government that’s gone tyrannical, just so we can selfishly have our guns and magazines now?”

    The Northam-backed plan mirrors the federal assault weapon ban passed in 1994, which included a grandfather clause for weapons that were legally owned when the legislation was enacted. The federal ban expired in 2004.

    The seven states that have enacted their own assault weapon bans all grandfathered in pre-existing weapons, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Though specifics could change as the Virginia legislation moves forward, previous Democratic proposals defined assault weapons as any semiautomatic rifle or pistol with a fixed magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds, and any shotgun with a capacity of more than seven rounds. The proposed bans have also covered a variety of gun features and modifications such as bump stocks, suppressors, folding or telescoping stocks, pistol grips, thumbhole stocks and mounts for bayonets or grenade launchers.

    It’s not clear how many guns in Virginia would fall into the proposed assault weapon definitions. The National Rifle Association has said Saslaw’s bill would have outlawed “common firearm parts” as well “America’s most popular rifle, the AR-15.”

    Democrats have said they want to rein in the guns capable of doing the most damage.

    “I’m a supporter of the Second Amendment. I grew up hunting and fishing,” Northam told reporters Monday morning at an event unrelated to gun policy. “Really what we’re trying to do in Virginia… is we want to make our streets, our communities safer.”

    In addition to the mostly symbolic gun sanctuary resolutions being passed by county boards, some local law enforcement officials in conservative jurisdictions have said they’ll resist new gun laws passed in Richmond that they deem an infringement on gun rights.

    Northam suggested Monday that those fears are unfounded.

    “I hear people out there saying that they don’t want law enforcement to enforce unconstitutional laws. Well we’re not going to propose or pass any unconstitutional laws,” Northam said. “So that’s something we should all agree on.”

    Read More: https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12/09/northam-backed-assault-weapon-bill-will-include-grandfather-clause-for-existing-guns/?fbclid=IwAR2T9T39Ybuwh-oXDuIjwtH0iVSmcgok1SLyH7minkxVM_7HrwB4sPDtHjI

    My Thoughts:

    Don't like his registration of your gun proposal.

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    Gov. Northam says localities could face ‘consequences’ if law enforcement officers don’t enforce gun laws

    Gov. Ralph Northam said Wednesday localities could face consequences if law enforcement officers don't enforce gun laws.

    When asked by a reporter if local governments would face retaliation for declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries, Northam responded, "There's not going to be retaliation. That's not what I'm about. I'm about making Virginia safer."

    Northam continued, "If we have constitutional laws on the books and law enforcement officers are not enforcing those laws on the books, then there are going to be consequences, but I'll cross that bridge if and when we get to it."

    Northam did not offer specifics on what the potential consequences would be.

    Local government meetings continue to be packed across the state with residents calling on their local governments to declare themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries.

    On Tuesday night, Chesapeake City Council members voted unanimously to become a "Second Amendment constitutional city."

    Northam pushed back on all of resolutions being passed, saying all laws that he personally has proposed are Constitutional. "We're not going to take people's guns away," he said.

    He also said the sanctuaries are having an effect on businesses thinking about investing here. "They have concerns when they hear localities are not going to enforce the laws of the land, so I would say be careful what you're asking for," he said.

    Northam noted how Democrats took control of the General Assembly, partly because of the issue of guns. "They can continue to have their meetings. They can continue to make sanctuary counties, but we're going to do what Virginians have asked us to do," he said.

    Read More: https://wtkr.com/2019/12/11/gov-northam-says-localities-could-face-consequences-if-law-enforcement-officers-dont-enforce-gun-laws/?fbclid=IwAR3sujtBOYLErUZ_WjZYhJgZTVbnztIYEGTHbQVA 57QIhCvHY-WiiENvDUg

    My Thoughts:

    The Gov. has already back tracked on his proposed anti-gun law by saying he would allow the guns to be grandfathered as long as they are registered. Now he’s threatening people who resist his BS new gun laws.

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    'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution and National Guard for police who fail to enforce gun control legislation

    Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.

    After November's Virginia Legislature elections that led to Democrats taking control of both chambers, the gun control legislation proposed by some Democrats moved forward, including universal background checks, an “assault weapons” ban, and a red flag law.

    Legal firearm owners in the state, however, joined with their sheriffs to form Second Amendment sanctuary counties, which declare the authorities in these municipalities uphold the Second Amendment in the face of any gun control measure passed by Richmond.

    Over 75 counties in Virginia have so far adopted such Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions in the commonwealth, the latest being Spotsylvania County. The board of supervisors voted unanimously to approve a resolution declaring that county police will not enforce state-level gun laws that violate Second Amendment rights.

    Virginia Democratic officials, however, already say local law enforcement supporting these resolutions will face consequences if they do not carry out any law the state Legislature passes.

    “I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they're prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath,” Democratic Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly told the Washington Examiner of local county police who may refuse to enforce future gun control measures. “The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don't have a choice, not if you're a sworn officer of the law.”


    Democratic Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin suggested cutting off state funds to counties that do not comply with any gun control measures that pass in Richmond.

    “They certainly risk funding, because if the sheriff's department is not going to enforce the law, they're going to lose money. The counties' attorneys offices are not going to have the money to prosecute because their prosecutions are going to go down,” he said.

    McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.

    “And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” he said. “That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.”

    Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring blamed the numerous Second Amendment resolutions in the state on the “gun lobby” as a tactic to frighten state residents.

    “The resolutions that are being passed are being ginned up by the gun lobby to try to scare people. What we’re talking about here are laws that will make our communities and our streets safer,” Herring told CBS 6.

    “So, when Virginia passes these gun safety laws that they will be followed, they will be enforced,” he added.

    Read More: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-and-national-guard-for-police-who-fail-to-enforce-gun-control-legislation?fbclid=IwAR3hfp0T8issyEgCr5aT6EKSoPF6v dOGTHucfRVHOu_WJW6riTJkjEK6DHg
    My Thoughts:

    Things are going to get really bad before this gun grab is stopped.

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    Congressman suggests military enforcement of new VA gun laws; Gov. promises ‘consequences’

    A U.S. congressman suggested that the Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could deploy the National Guard to enforce gun laws in counties that have declared themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries.”

    “Ultimately, I’m not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” Rep. Donald McEachin said, according to The Washington Examiner.

    “That’s his call, because I don’t know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that’s obviously an option he has,” McEachin added.

    Gov. Northam himself said on Wednesday that Virginia localities who refuse to enforce gun laws will face “consequences,” but did not allude to what those consequences could entail.

    “If we have constitutional laws on the books and law enforcement officers are not enforcing those laws on the books, then there are going to be consequences, but I’ll cross that bridge if and when we get to it,” Northam said, as WTKR reported.

    “They can continue to have their meetings. They can continue to make sanctuary counties, but we’re going to do what Virginians have asked us to do,” he said, referring to the strict gun control platform credited for Democrats’ sweeping election wins in the state.

    At least 75 counties in Virginia have declared themselves a “Second Amendment sanctuary” in preparation to refuse enforcement of strict gun laws currently being considered in the Virginia state legislature.

    The Virginia Citizens Defense League, a gun rights organization founded in 1994, claims that 84 localities have declared themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries” since Nov. 6.

    “We’re not going to take people’s guns away,” Northam insisted on Wednesday, dismissing the sanctuary measures. He also claimed

    One such gun measure proposed Northam would be to ban sales of semi-automatic rifles, and only allow gunowners to keep their current AR-15s and similar rifles if they register them – or else they must surrender the rifles.

    Rep. McEachin had also suggested halting state funding to counties that refuse to comply with any state-level gun control laws.

    “They certainly risk funding, because if the sheriff’s department is not going to enforce the law, they’re going to lose money. The counties’ attorneys offices are not going to have the money to prosecute because their prosecutions are going to go down,” he said.

    Rep. Gerry Connolly called on law enforcement officials to resign if they refuse to enforce the state’s gun laws.

    “I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they’re prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath,” Connolly told The Washington Examiner.

    Read More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/12/congressman-suggests-military-enforcement-of-new-va-gun-laws-gov-promises-consequences/?utm_source=fbchat&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=fac ebook&fbclid=IwAR2WDE5TGaF0w3XLB6lZj5ay3KCTTLo6YEk 6PDNqrlddY0HlQymq1skfTTQ

    My Thoughts;

    This is just going to get a lot of people hurt or killed. The people are tired of this crap.
    If I remember right, the use of military force within the United States is illegal.

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    The Second Amendment exists to stop exactly what Northam is trying.
    This is not his or anybody else's Kingdom. 1776
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    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    The people are tired of this crap.

    Those who are tired of this crap are far outnumbered by those who are not.The majority still rules regardless of how you spin it.

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    Virginia Dems On Gun Confiscation: Never Mind

    Liberals across the country were celebrating last month when Democrats scored the trifecta in Virginia, controlling both the Governor’s mansion and both chambers of the legislature. One of the key promises that Governor Raph Northam and the new legislative majority had run on was banning the ownership of “assault rifles” in the state. But after weeks of unrest and the formation of Second Amendment sanctuary counties, it seems that the pressure has gotten to them. The coming ban on scary looking rifles will now include a grandfather clause for those who already own them. (Free Beacon)

    Virginia Democratic leaders abandoned their gun confiscation proposal Monday following a grassroots outpouring of opposition to gun control across the state.

    Governor Ralph Northam (D.) and incoming Senate majority leader **** Saslaw (D.) said they will no longer pursue their marquee plan to ban the possession of “assault weapons.” Instead, they will include a provision to allow Virginians to keep the firearms they already own. The reversal comes before the newly elected Democratic majority has even been sworn in, after a majority of the state’s counties declared themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries.”

    A spokesperson for the Governor said that owners of these types of firearms would have a grace period to register them with the state after the law goes into effect. Of course, this creates a de facto gun registry for those specific types of rifles, so we’re left to wonder whether or not that registry will be made public

    Northam and his allies probably saw all the potential trouble that was waiting in the wings for them if they had gone with a full ban and confiscation plan. Their first indication came when we learned that a majority of the counties in Virginia had either declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries or were preparing to do so. On top of that, Chesapeake, Virginia (population 225K) declared itself a “Second Amendment constitutional city” this week.

    If they had moved forward with the full ban anyway, both the logistics and the political optics appeared daunting. If local law enforcement wasn’t going to go around collecting firearms they would have needed to dispatch the state police to do the job. And then there’s always the possibility that they might run into somebody holding to the “cold dead hands” philosophy. A dead firearms owner with no previous criminal record would make for a terrible headline for the Governor.

    And is that really how the Democrats want to spend their first year in the majority? They’d wind up in a constant series of battles with county executives, sheriff’s departments and mayors. It would dominate the news and make the rest of their agenda harder to push through.

    Still, it appears that Virginia remains on track to have a ban on new sales of so-called “assault rifles.” But with the grandfather clause in mind, gun shop owners should start placing their orders. There’s probably going to be one of the biggest runs of rifle sales in state history coming their way.

    Read More: https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/12/11/virginia-dems-gun-confiscation-never-mind/?fbclid=IwAR118Vv-gql_ja-SLDWf3XnzSgU3tiyGl-QKYHZeQ5pvRJOD9jn6zb5nAbs

    My thoughts:

    But they're still calling for a ban.

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    Congressman suggests military enforcement of new VA gun laws; Gov. promises ‘consequences’


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