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    Quote Originally Posted by melloyello View Post
    Let's get away from being PC.

    The Constitution of the United States preamble states "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    IMO, the People of the United States are its Citizens and the BoR being within the Constitution only applies to US Citizens and the constitution only applies to us and our children.

    If you are not of the United States like my father, you should earn your citizenship like my mother did, being naturalized under Article I of the Constitution.
    I agree with you 100% that the Constitution ONLY applies to Citizens of the United States...

    Although, I believe that the pre-existing right to defend your life, that of your family at minimum, any where any place by any means necessary, using equal or greater force then may be brought against you be it foreign or domestic; including but not limited to the tyranny of your own government, adopted government or the U.N....
    Is an inherent, inalienable right of all sentient human beings...

    We as U.S. Citizens are fortunate that we had Thomas Jefferson, et.al., that had the foresight to re-affirm and protect that and other unalienable, pre-existing rights via our Constitution...

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    Not to Hijack this but for a long time I have been trying to figure out just why "We the People of the United States" has been liberally applied to Illegals!!! Yeah I know key word "here Liberal" so why do we let them get away with it!!!
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
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    Foreign and Domestic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    foreign or domestic
    I remember a couple oaths that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, USCIS - Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens and Oaths of Enlistment and Oaths of Office.

    Sheldon -

    I personally believe the 14th Amendment which was passed after the Civil War to punish Southerns for attempting to succeed and keep them from holding federal office and also granting all natural born people US Citizenship has been corrupted to extended to all people with anchor babies, The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution. I don't know if I'd agree that children born on US soil should be automatic citizens when both parents are illegal aliens. Personally I think all people once 18 should take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution to reaffirm their US Citizenship and denounce all others.

    I also think that the we are the world/we know what's best attitudes are reasons that people extend the US Constitution to all people. Or maybe they just take a lot of latitude with People of the United States being People in the United States.
    Last edited by melloyello; 04-16-2009 at 10:21 PM. Reason: sentence completion

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    Quote Originally Posted by melloyello View Post
    I remember a couple oaths that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, USCIS - Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens and Oaths of Enlistment and Oaths of Office.

    Sheldon -

    I personally believe the 14th Amendment which was passed after the Civil War to punish Southerns for attempting to succeed and keep them from holding federal office and also granting all natural born people US Citizenship has been corrupted to extended to all people with anchor babies, The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution. I don't know if I'd agree that children born on US soil should be automatic citizens when both parents are illegal aliens. Personally I think all people once 18 should take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution to reaffirm their US Citizenship and denounce all others.

    I also think that the we are the world/we know what's best attitudes are reasons that people extend the US Constitution to all people. Or maybe they just take a lot of latitude with People of the United States being People in the United States.
    +1...

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    Exclamation No argument here...

    To further your argument, the only time citizenship should be granted to someone born of non citizens is when those parents are in this county LEGALLY, that the child must remain in the US for no less than 5 consecutive years from their date of birth before citizenship is granted, further the parents should be required to work for and the application process for citizenship prior to citizenship of their child is granted....

    My point is if you are here legally for 5 years or longer You are either...
    A. Working on a PHD,
    B. Working for a corporation as an temp...( Exec)... or
    C. have settled down, have a job, with some kind of permanent work visa.
    If C then if you have not worked for and applied for citizenship just what excuse is there.???? could it be that you want to go back to your country someday, the one that was so bad you left it to make a better life here... easy just go back and renounce your citizenship, just be sure to take the rest of your family when you do!!!

    Sound Harsh, no more so than what the other countries would expect us to do if we were to move there.....
    Many countries require their citizens to return every so often and stay for a pre determined period of time to maintain legal citizenship status.....


    Those here illegally and any offspring they should have regardless of birth location, should have no claim to automatic citizenship PERIOD!
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

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    Angry SCOTUS rulings that affect this thread

    SCOTUS Case law:

    United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), regarding children of non-citizen Chinese immigrants born in United States. The court ruled that the children were U.S. citizens

    Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States struck down a state statute denying funding for education to children who were illegal immigrants. The Court found that where states limit the rights afforded to people based on their status as aliens, this limitation must be examined under an intermediate scrutiny standard to determine whether it furthers a substantial goal of the State.


    I have somewhat of a vested interest in this on the reverse side. My wife swam across the border in 97 was deported and swam back. We met in 98 and married in 99. Fixed her papers. Good to go right? We have 4 children. My problem stems from the fact that I am active duty military.

    The story is thus. We decided since I was being deployed, she would take the kids and go visit family. The kids would finally get to the other grandparents and family they didn't know. My wife had complications and my youngest daughter was born in Mexico. She is not entitled to AUTOMATIC U.S. Citizenship. I have been fighting a 6 year battle with DHS/INS/USCIS or whatever they want call themselves. I've given this country over 20 years and I can't some stupid bureaucrat to help with my case. I can't even get into the local USCIS office without being treated like a criminal.

    So, Yeah, My wife and I are a little bitter and salty about anchor babies.
    Jim
    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power."
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    SubHntr,
    I feel your pain and hope someone wakes up and takes action on your case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melloyello View Post
    BTW - not anti-government but Libertarian.
    Didn't you get the memo? Libertarian is anti-government. Just ask any DHS officer!


    Quote Originally Posted by Tex4oc View Post
    Boomboy, you should run for office, very well said!!
    Maybe I will run in the newly minted Republic of Texas, especially if Ron Paul is the president!
    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

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    I have no problem with LEGAL IMMIGRATION, in other words those whom get in line and go through the proper legal process, wherever they are from...

    In my view, anybody whom does not go through the proper legal process to legally immigrate does not belong here until they do, and any anchor babies they have should not be entitled to automatic citizenship... nor should the fact that they (the mother) managed to get knocked up and pop a kid or two on U.S. Soil, while using our emergency rooms as a primary care facility (at our expense) in an attempt to get their immigration status (and subsequent chain migration of their relatives) expedited to a higher priority then those whom have been standing in the very long line legally ...

    They should be deported, made to get in the back of the line no sooner then one year from the deportation date, as a example of how to do things the right way...

    nor should they be entitled to any welfare, food stamps, social security and or free health care, education etc., while they are here illegally...

    Anybody ever been to Mexico or other foreign country's?

    try to get medical attention with out COLD HARD CASH IN YOUR POCKET...

    You could literally die on the door step of the hospital and they would not lift a finger to help you...

    AND I am speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE on this matter as well...

    The fact is we can not afford to let EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET INTO THE UNITED STATES, LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY...

    Its unsustainable...

    There has to be limitations...

    SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK...

    The Republic of Kalifornia is a shining example of their failure to enforce our immigration laws...

    Watch the news lately? The Republic of Kalifornia is bankrupt and giving IOU's for tax refunds...
    They also reported spending a 1/2 a billion dollars in L.A. County alone for Welfare, and Free Health Care just last year for you guessed it; ILLEGAL ALIENS....

    Illegal Immigration is a National Epidemic, that will drive us down the tubes faster then the Usurper Administration can spend and print money we don't have...

    NumbersUSA

    AND WE NEED TO BUILD THE DAMM FENCE WE ALREADY PAID FOR!

    There is no other country on the planet that allows ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, in fact you be lucky to not be shot or imprisoned for decades if you were caught trying to immigrate illegally into some of these socialist countries that the Usurper Administration seems hell-bent on modeling us after...

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio for Homeland Security Chief!:
    http://gunowners.org/arpaio.htm

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    Americans for Legal Immigration:
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    Wish we could vote for Joe!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio for Homeland Security Chief!:
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio for Homeland Security Chief!
    Too bad the position is nominated by the President. Joe probably pays his taxes, that automatically excludes him from the cabinet!

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