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    IT'S DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    National Park Service Gun Ban Repealed!


    "Gun Owners of America was the most consistent and loudest voice on Capitol Hill in support of the effort to repeal the National Park Service gun ban." -- Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK)


    Wednesday, May 20, 2009

    Good news!

    The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill today that included an amendment to repeal the gun ban on National Park Service (NPS) land and wildlife refuges.

    The amendment, sponsored by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and attached to a credit card industry reform bill, passed the House overwhelmingly by a vote of 279-147.

    For decades, law-abiding citizens have been prohibited from exercising their Second Amendment rights on NPS land and wildlife refuges, even if the state in which the land is located allows carrying firearms.

    With some limited exceptions for hunting, the only way to legally possess a firearm anywhere in a national park is by having it unloaded and inaccessible, such as locked up in an automobile trunk. A Bush administration regulation partially reversed the ban, but that action was singlehandedly negated recently by an activist judge in Washington, D.C. The Department of Interior decided not to appeal that ruling.

    Senator Coburn believes, like you do, that Americans should not be forced to sacrifice their Second Amendment rights when entering NPS land and wildlife refuges.

    GOA worked with Coburn on an amendment that simply allows for state and local laws -- instead of unelected bureaucrats and anti gun activist judges -- to govern firearm possession on these lands.

    The anti-gun leadership in both the House and Senate went berserk and fought to keep the Coburn amendment from being attached to the underlying bill. Sparks were flying on the floor of the House of Representatives today.

    Anti-gun Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) whined that a "very good" credit card bill had been "hijacked" by the Coburn amendment. To this, Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT) pointed out that gun control is the policy of tyrants, as evidenced by the British attempt to confiscate firearms at Lexington and Concord in 1775.

    Congressional leaders and entrenched bureaucrats have fought GOA over the NPS gun ban for the past eight years.

    But your activism has finally broken through. The late Senator Everett Dirksen said, "When I feel the heat, I see the light!" Well, you have applied a lot of heat. Members of Congress know that they oppose your Second Amendment rights at their own peril.

    As it stands today, both houses of Congress have now passed the Coburn amendment -- and President Obama is expected to sign the provision into law (only because it is part of a larger credit card bill that he really wants).

    So, congratulate yourself for winning this long, hard battle. GOA was the leading, and often only, national gun group involved in this fight. Your involvement was absolutely vital to achieving this win.

    Of course, many more battles lie ahead. President Obama continues to push for the Senate to ratify massive international gun control treaties. There is a battle over a Supreme Court nominee coming up. Anti-gun zealots in Congress are aggressively pushing to renew the Clinton gun ban and close down gun shows.

    And as the health care debate picks up steam in the coming weeks and months, GOA is battling efforts to create a computerized national healthcare database. Such a database can be used to deny people their Second Amendment rights in the same way that so many veterans have lost their gun rights based only on the diagnoses of a doctor for things like combat-related stress.

    GOA will be calling for action on these and other Second Amendment issues as they move through Congress.

    In the meantime, have a safe Memorial Day as we remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice so that America would remain "Land of the Free."




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    It can't be done without every single voice being counted. That's why we are asking you to consider making the commitment of becoming a Gun Owners of America Life Member. By doing so, you put the politicians on notice that neither you nor GOA is going away -- that no matter who's in the White House, there is always going to be a solid wall of resistance.

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  3. Great job everyone! You all were part of the something great. Stay sharp -- other issues are coming.

    Smity

  4. #43
    I'm typically opposed to attaching stuff to a bill if it has absolutly nothing to do with it. The Dems pull this stuff all the time. Funny thing is, the Dems attach garbage to an otherwise good bill. This time, a Republican attached a good amendment to an otherwise crappy bill.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

  5. Quote Originally Posted by utimmer43 View Post
    I'm typically opposed to attaching stuff to a bill if it has absolutly nothing to do with it. The Dems pull this stuff all the time. Funny thing is, the Dems attach garbage to an otherwise good bill. This time, a Republican attached a good amendment to an otherwise crappy bill.
    actually the bill is not too bad also.

  6. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by rockwerks View Post
    actually the bill is not too bad also.
    Sorry, I have a really big problem with the govt. setting the rules for business dealings between a service provider and a customer. This nonsense about how "unfair" it is when rates go up because you missed a payment, late fees, over-limit fees, it's all there in that little book that came with your credit card. If you "didn't know the terms" that is no ones fault but your own. If you do what most people do (including myself) and throw that rule book away, and then end up getting screwed in the end, your problem, not mine. YOU agreed to those terms when you activated the card, signed it, and used it to run yourself further into debt.

    Now, IF the CC company was doing something that was NOT in the terms agreement, then I have no problem with a law requiring full disclosure. Infact I would be surprised, and rather pissed, if that were already not the case. Otherwise, this whole CC bill was a waste of OUR time and OUR tax dollars, save for the Coburn ammendment.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

  7. Quote Originally Posted by utimmer43 View Post
    Sorry, I have a really big problem with the govt. setting the rules for business dealings between a service provider and a customer. This nonsense about how "unfair" it is when rates go up because you missed a payment, late fees, over-limit fees, it's all there in that little book that came with your credit card. If you "didn't know the terms" that is no ones fault but your own. If you do what most people do (including myself) and throw that rule book away, and then end up getting screwed in the end, your problem, not mine. YOU agreed to those terms when you activated the card, signed it, and used it to run yourself further into debt.

    Now, IF the CC company was doing something that was NOT in the terms agreement, then I have no problem with a law requiring full disclosure. Infact I would be surprised, and rather pissed, if that were already not the case. Otherwise, this whole CC bill was a waste of OUR time and OUR tax dollars, save for the Coburn ammendment.
    Actually you are highly mistaken! The problem was that many CC companies where arbitrarily applying increases for areas of the country, I myself had 2 card increase from around 10% to 27% because the bank needed to make a higher return on the investment to cover other areas. The other was because I bought a house, even though my monthly payments went down by 500.00 per month the bank saw it as a negative. I had been with them for 15 years without a late payment.

    What the bill does is make them stick to the agreements and does set limits on how high the rates can go. etc. I do not like all of it but I have yet to like 100% of any bill passed. IF CC companies where not abusing the consumer then this bill would have never been brought up.

  8. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by rockwerks View Post
    Actually you are highly mistaken! The problem was that many CC companies where arbitrarily applying increases for areas of the country, I myself had 2 card increase from around 10% to 27% because the bank needed to make a higher return on the investment to cover other areas. The other was because I bought a house, even though my monthly payments went down by 500.00 per month the bank saw it as a negative. I had been with them for 15 years without a late payment.
    Are you telling me that what they did to you was outside the "rights" they reserve for themselves? I too had a card go from 6% to 15% for no reason. Sure I was pissed, sure it's a bad business practice, but they were within their rights as this was within the terms of the agreement. And no matter how mad I am about it, I don't think the govt. should be telling them they can't make their own rules as long as it is disclosed in the agreement.

    What the bill does is make them stick to the agreements...
    If they actually did do something to you that was not somewhere in the terms that you agreed to (either knowingly or unknowingly) then as I said before, I am OK with a law that says they must (before the account is opened and active) fully disclose the terms that they have set. I just don't want the govt. dictating what those terms may or may not consist of. And that includes a rate limit. I don't care if the default rate is 50% as long as it is in the terms that you agree to.

    IF CC companies where not abusing the consumer then this bill would have never been brought up.
    You're kidding right? I mean, do I really need to elaborate?
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

  9. Now that the National Park issue has been taken care of... will everyone please read my article on the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act, a Federal law currently on the books, which effectively outlaws all concealed carry reciprocity agreements between States, and all unlicensed carry of any kind. I'm not joking... this is extremely important, so please read my article and write your elected officials in Congress.

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...important.html

  10. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle2009 View Post
    Now that the National Park issue has been taken care of... will everyone please read my article on the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act, a Federal law currently on the books, which effectively outlaws all concealed carry reciprocity agreements between States, and all unlicensed carry of any kind. I'm not joking... this is extremely important, so please read my article and write your elected officials in Congress.

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...important.html
    The Problem is CCW Reciprocity (or the fact that we even need a CCW), Gun Free School Zones (or any other zones for that matter)
    ARE ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL...

    The Second Amendment does not state your unalienable pre-existing right "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" Except... IF you do not have a CCW, your zip code is X, your standing at Y, or the type/class of firearm/ammunition you have or desire to have is Z...

    That being said...
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  11. #50

    NOW it's done.

    Obama signs law curbing surprise credit card fees | ksdk.com | St. Louis, MO

    Obama signs law curbing surprise credit card fees

    One part of the bill Obama did not publicly celebrate at the signing, a gun amendment. The measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., allows people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.

    The addition of the amendment to the bill -- and Obama's acceptance of it -- was viewed as a bitter disappointment for gun-control advocates.

    They watched gun-rights supporters gain a victory from a Democratic-controlled Congress and a Democratic president that they couldn't achieve under a Republican Congress and president. Many blamed the National Rifle Association, which pushed hard for the gun law.
    A citizen who shirks his duty to contribute to the security of his community is little better than the criminal who threatens it.

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