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    Quote Originally Posted by Abacab View Post
    Defeated by two votes. Damn.
    And to think there was two republicans that voted Nay...

    Lugar (R-IN)
    Voinovich (R-OH)

    If only they would have voted with the rest of the Republicans........
    "When Government fears the people, it's liberty. When people fear the Government, it's tyranny."
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  4. Voinovich (R-OH) is one of Ohio's big a-holes he votes where it will do him the most good not the folks here in Ohio. Sorry everyone!
    Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
    is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist '.

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    Once again I have to humbly apologise for Michigan's nosodynamic dual voting nay.
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    REMEMBER THE RINO'S!
    Lets make those (all of them regardless of party) that opposed this famous!...
    http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro...n=1&vote=00237

    Senate rejects concealed weapons measure
    'This is no minor shift in policy,' said (Legendary Gun Banner and Hypocrite) Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

    WASHINGTON - In a rare win for gun control advocates, the Senate on Wednesday rejected a measure allowing a person with a concealed weapon permit in one state to also hide his firearm when visiting another state.

    The vote was 58-39 in favor of the provision establishing concealed carry permit reciprocity in the 48 states that have concealed weapons laws. That fell two votes short of the 60 needed to approve the measure, offered as an amendment to a defense spending bill.

    Opponents prevailed in their argument that the measure violated states rights by forcing states with stringent requirements for permits to recognize concealed weapons carriers from states that give out permits to almost any gun owner.

    "This is no minor shift in policy," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., whose state requires people to be fingerprinted, get gun training and to undergo a federal background check before issuing permits. "It in fact would be a sweeping change and I think with some deadly consequences."

    The vote reversed recent trends where Republicans and gun rights Democrats from rural states joined to push pro-gun rights issues and block gun control legislation.

    Congress this year voted to restore the rights of people to carry loaded weapons into national parks and the Senate moved to effectively eviscerate the tough gun control laws of the District of Columbia.

    Congress has also ignored urgings from President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to revive a ban on military-style weapons that expired in 2004.

    The concealed weapons measure, promoted by the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America, would have made a concealed weapon permit from one state valid in the 47 other states with permit laws. Only Wisconsin and Illinois have no carry permit laws.

    Protection for truckers
    Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., the sponsor, said it would not provide for a national carry permit, and that a visitor to another state would have to obey the limitations of that state, such as bans on concealed weapons in restaurants or other places.

    "Law-abiding individuals have the right to self-defense," even when they cross state lines, Thune said, citing the example of truck drivers who need to protect themselves as they travel.

    Opponents, however, said the 48 states with permits have a broad range of conditions for obtaining those permits: some such as Alaska and Vermont, give permits to almost all gun owners. Others, such as New York, have firearm training requirements and exclude people with drinking problems or criminal records.

    New York Democrat Charles Schumer raised the possibility of his state having to accept gun carriers from states that have few or no restrictions. Thune's proposal, he said, was "the most dangerous piece of legislation to the safety of Americans when it comes to guns since the repeal of the assault weapons ban."

    Thune shot back that if a person from South Dakota with a carry permit visited Central Park in New York City, "Central Park will be a much safer place."

    States' rights
    Other opponents said the proposal infringed on states' rights, usually an important principle for gun rights groups. Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said it would override the laws of 11 states — California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island — and the District of Columbia — which do not allow carry permit reciprocity with other states.

    Sen. David Vitter, R-La., another sponsor, reminded his colleagues that the NRA and Gun Owners of America were scoring the vote, meaning it would be considered in their election evaluation of lawmakers.

    NRA chief lobbyist Chris W. Cox said the last two decades have shown a strong shift toward gun rights laws. "We believe it's time for Congress to acknowledge these changes and respect the right of self-defense, and the right of self-defense does not stop at state lines," he said.

    Gun control groups were strongly in opposition.

    The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said Mississippi residents can get a permit without any training, including ever shooting a pistol on a range. These permit holders could carry firearms in New York City, where police have broad discretion to deny permits, or Dallas, where permit applicants must undergo at least 10 hours of training.

    "It is critical to our efforts that people who enter our state abide by the laws of our state which have supported the progress we are making," Newark, N.J., mayor Cory Booker said in a statement. "This is not a law that will in any way support our efforts to create a safer Newark."

    NRA-ILA :: Bipartisan Majority of the U.S. Senate Votes in Favor of National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity

    Lets make those (all of them regardless of party) that opposed this famous!...
    http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro...n=1&vote=00237

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    Others, such as New York, have firearm training requirements and exclude people with drinking problems or criminal records.
    Oh, and let's not forget ALL NON-RESIDENTS

    States' rights
    Other opponents said the proposal infringed on states' rights, usually an important principle for gun rights groups. Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said it would override the laws of 11 states California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island and the District of Columbia which do not allow carry permit reciprocity with other states.
    For purely personal reasons, I think this arguement pisses me off the most. Of these, CT and MA are the only two that a non-resident might possibly get a permit. Being a truck driver from eastern PA who hauls high-end kitchen cabinets guarantees that I travel to DC, NYC, Long Island, and New England. I would submit to all these "stringent requirements" in a heart beat if these bastards would just give me the chance to do so! Oh BTW, since when are these pricks concerned with states rights? They continuously urinate on the 10A, in every other aspect, then when they are debating something that states have no business restricting in the first place, "OH OH, States' rights!! Good thing I shave my head, or I'd be pulling my hair out listening to these pukes. Just wanna screem!

    "It is critical to our efforts that people who enter our state abide by the laws of our state which have supported the progress we are making," Newark, N.J., mayor Cory Booker said in a statement. "This is not a law that will in any way support our efforts to create a safer Newark."
    Um, really? Progress? Not even a week ago Mayor Booker, your neighbors to the East had a shootout with a career criminal which resulted in 5 injured officers, one of which just died of his wounds. You are right, your level of violent crime is directly influenced by your State's laws. However, progress is not the first word I think of to describe NJ.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    BTW, correct me if I'm wrong... The requirement for passage was not 60 votes, it was 3/5 of the total votes. Since 3 did not vote, leaving 97, 3/5 would be 58-1/5. So it really was only one vote short. This means that any of us who have a Senator who voted "nay" can blame that Senator for single-handedly killing this amendment. I have one such Senator (Specter), who up until this point has been fairly decent on gun-rights. I guess he left those views with the "R" he traded away a few months ago.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    defeat...for now

    There is many pieces of black letter law that went down in defeat when initially introduced in proposed legislation form. We will prevail on this matter of reciprocity, just not now. Even if the Senate came up with 60 votes, I don't know how likely the legislation would have passed the house. Be that as it may, change a few senators and representatives and vote out Obama in 2012, reciprocity will be the law of the land.
    As I have stated in prior threads, gun owners are part of the reason we have the clowns in office that we have. 75 million gun owners in this country. How many of these owners voted for senators that defeated this bill.

  10. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by c45man View Post
    Be that as it may, change a few senators and representatives and vote out Obama in 2012, reciprocity will be the law of the land.
    As I have stated in prior threads, gun owners are part of the reason we have the clowns in office that we have. 75 million gun owners in this country. How many of these owners voted for senators that defeated this bill.
    Something about that has had me wondering how this hasn't passed in prior years, when we did have more pro-gun congressmen and President.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    It did not pass in prior years because carry permit movement in the states was in its infancy. It was hard enough for the pro-gun congress to pass the Officers Safety Act, regarding interstate carry for law enforcement. By the way, Officers Safety Act failed the first time it came up for a vote. It was 9/11 that served as the launch for said legislation.

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