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  1. #11
    HK, not sure if you were responding to my post above, but you're right. They are rushing it through because it's full of crap and is a crappy plan. I was just stating that that one page (425) has indeed been misinterpreted.

    TFO, you're also right. Obama is not the anti-Christ, but he is paving the way. As the value of our dollar continues to decline and eventually hyper-inflation sets in, the West will succomb to a single world currency. That will be the stepping stone for the one-world gov't (possibly the UN). I wouldn't be surprised if a one-world gov't is hastened by a civil war here in the USA.
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  3. #12
    One thing for sure is that if you believe and follow scriptures then things seem to be accelerating at an alarming rate which again if you are a Christian you have to believe we are seeing prophesy unfold before our eyes.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    A key House Committee will vote within the next 24-36 hours on ObamaCare...

    Here's the dirty little secret of what's actually happening
    with ObamaCare right now on Capitol Hill...

    Obama and the Democrats have launched a classic
    political misdirection to diffuse grassroots opposition
    against their socialized healthcare plan while
    they iron out the details right under our noses!

    It's the only explanation of why Obama, Reid and Pelosi are
    conceding that they will not get passage of ObamaCare before
    the August recess while at the same time pressing harder
    than ever for two key committees to finish their work immediately.

    Since the final design of ObamaCare in Congress is being worked
    out in these committees, these votes are absolutely crucial.

    So their plan is clear: diffuse grassroots pressure by
    delaying the final vote while nailing down the dirty details
    of ObamaCare in the key House and Senate Committees!

    That means we are still in the midst of a critical time...

    The House Energy and Commerce Committee is expected to vote
    in the next 24 hours. Meanwhile, six Senate Finance Committee
    members (the "Gang of Six") are feverishly working behind
    closed doors to craft a so-called "compromise" that still
    puts the federal government at the epicenter of our
    healthcare system...

    We need to specifically target these two committees
    so we can continue to get the message through loud and clear
    from grassroots citizens...

    Representative Offices - United States House of Representatives, 111th Congress, 1st Session

    Energy and Commerce Committee

    House Financial Services Committee

    Finance

    In addition, call your Congressman and tell him or her that
    Congress should CEASE AND DESIST its work on government-run
    healthcare until Members return home and hear from their constituents.

    Rep. Titus 202-225-3252

    Or, call the House Switchboard: 202-224-3121

    Also, call the Senate "Gang Of Six":
    Max Baucus: 202-224-2651
    Chuck Grassley: 202-224-3744
    Kent Conrad: 202-224-2043
    Jeff Bingaman: 202-224-5521
    Olympia Snowe: 202-224-5344
    Mike Enzi: 202--224-3424

    Talking Points:

    #1 -- The House and Senate and their committees should immediately
    CEASE work on the government-run healthcare plan and instead
    take time to listen to their constituents during the August
    recess.

    #2 -- I do not want the government to have more control and
    influence over my health care. That is why I reject House
    health care bill (H.R. 3200) and the soon-to-be-released
    Senate "compromise" plan that still creates a federal mandate.

    #3 -- America cannot afford the $1 trillion price tag of socialized
    health care during these difficult economic times. I flatly
    reject any health care proposal that increases costs or
    imposes new taxes on any American.





  5. #14
    Universal healthcare all the way is my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    Universal healthcare all the way is my vote.



  7. Health Care Page 425

    You can listen to McCaughey's misleading statements or you can go to the actual text of the bill and read it for yourself. These Advance Care Planning consultations, paid for by the government, would be available, if desired, once every five years. They are not mandatory as McCaughey says. They would be initiated by the patient not by someone from the government. These consultations would be between a patient and their doctor or medical professional; not with someone from the government. There is nothing in this legislation that encourages or otherwise discusses euthanasia. The idea behind this section is to give patients an opportunity to make their wishes known in advance of an emergency or medical problem. Giving the patient the opportunity to let the doctor and their loved ones know what it is that they, the patient, want is a good thing.

    Read the bill and stop listening to someone like McCaughey whose agenda is to kill health care reform, just as she helped to do in 1994.

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    SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.

    (a) MEDICARE.—

    (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—

    (A) in subsection (s)(2)—

    (i) by striking "and" at the end of subparagraph (DD);

    (ii) by adding "and" at the end of subparagraph (EE); and

    (iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

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    "(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));"; and

    (B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:

    "Advance Care Planning Consultation

    "(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

    "(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

    "(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

    "(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

    "(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline,

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    the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

    "(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

    "(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—

    "(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;

    "(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and

    "(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is

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    unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a healthcare proxy).

    "(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State—

    "(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and

    "(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).

    "(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—

    "(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;

    (II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;

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    "(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and

    "(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physcians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

    "(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—

    "(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and

    "(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant who has the authority under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments.

    "(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).

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    "(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

    "(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.

    "(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—

    "(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals
    and providers across the continuum of care;

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    "(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;

    "(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and

    "(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.

    "(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—

    "(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

    "(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;

    "(iii) the use of antibiotics; and

    "(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."

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    Obama's Socialism...
    Sounds like a great idea...
    Till you run out of other peoples money...

    NOBAMACARE

    Obama Wants Single Payer Health Care System... (In His Own Words)

    YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance

  9. Quote Originally Posted by GeneralSumter View Post
    HK, not sure if you were responding to my post above, but you're right. They are rushing it through because it's full of crap and is a crappy plan. I was just stating that that one page (425) has indeed been misinterpreted.

    TFO, you're also right. Obama is not the anti-Christ, but he is paving the way. As the value of our dollar continues to decline and eventually hyper-inflation sets in, the West will succomb to a single world currency. That will be the stepping stone for the one-world gov't (possibly the UN). I wouldn't be surprised if a one-world gov't is hastened by a civil war here in the USA.
    Good point about the currency. Sounds like you've been listening to Van Impe. Good guy when it comes to end-time prophecy. All the one-world stuff is coming our way, but I think the church will be raptured before it gets too bad.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    One thing for sure is that if you believe and follow scriptures then things seem to be accelerating at an alarming rate which again if you are a Christian you have to believe we are seeing prophesy unfold before our eyes.
    We absolutely are my friend. Be strong in the Lord.

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