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    True christians are praying for Mr Obama and all of the leaders of our country. Anybody doing anything negative toward him is obviously not doing God's will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    True christians are praying for Mr Obama and all of the leaders of our country. Anybody doing anything negative toward him is obviously not doing God's will.
    Boy have you been drinking deep...

    YouTube - Louis Farrakhan calls OBAMA Messiah ...


  4. #23
    Anyone that voted for the false Messiah is obviously not doing Gods will or would not even have a clue to what his will is.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Washington Post confirms Grandma faces Euthanasia under Obamacare...

    The Washington Post has just confirmed as false two statements in the new White House video and AARP emails, which had denied claims of Euthanasia in "Obamacare" health bill HR 3200, that hostile, socialist government takeover of your hospital, doctors, children, and grandparents. An editorial by respected bio-ethicist and Wash. Post Editorial Board member Charles Lane entitled, "Undue Influence: The House Bill Skews End-of-Life Counsel," blasts the false claims by AARP and The White House that HR 3200 does not push euthanaia on seniors.

    1) Proof that EUTHANASIA is pushed by Obama's socialist government "health" care.

    President Obama had been confronted by a North Carolina woman asking if "everyone that's Medicare age will be visited and told they have to decide how they wish to die."

    In response Obama joked morbidly about euthanasia, that he hadn't yet hired enough bureaucrats to conduct such an operation, yet he could not deny the New York Post's discovery the House bill "compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care" (pages 425-430). In other words, your grandmother will be told, when insufficient resources are rationed to young people, that her duty to die begins with mandatory "end-of-life counseling," or as Obama explained, "encourage the use of living wills" that terminate otherwise salvageable lives prematurely through signed "do not resuscitate" (DNR) legal releases that authorize "pulling the plug" on Grandma.

    The White House made a quick video to refute claims of euthanasia in the health care bill, but interestingly they deleted Obama's quote about living wills, and AARP sent emails claiming rumors about euthanasia in the bill were generated by conspiracy theorists. But then a respected bioethicist wrote a scathing editorial in the Washington Post, confirming that euthanasia is initiated by the government in the bill. Lane writes:

    "Consultations envisioned in Section 1233 aren't quite 'purely voluntary.' To me, 'purely voluntary' means 'not unless the patient requests one.' Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive to insist. Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to white-coated authority. Once they're in the meeting, the bill does permit 'formulation' of a plug-pulling order right then and there."

    Lane agrees the legislation mandates the doctor 'shall' discuss living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses: "Section 1233 goes beyond facilitating doctor input to preferring it. Indeed, the measure would have an interested party -- the government -- recruit doctors to sell the elderly on living wills, hospice care and their associated providers, professions and organizations. You don't have to be a right-wing wacko to question that approach."

    Bankrupt state can't afford to pay for grandma's hip replacement? Obama's plan turns her doctor into a lawyer, paid by Uncle Sam to persuade her to sign a DNR, explaining her hastened duty to die, and obtaining her signature legally absolving him of all guilt. Lane says he personally has a living will, but doctors shouldn't be paid extra by the government to push them on seniors. Euthanasia begins when socialism replaces capitalism.

    AARP LYING TO SENIORS TO PROFIT FROM OBAMACARE?

    The seniors advocacy group AARP defended Obamacare, stating in emails to seniors: "FACT #3: There is no provision of any piece of legislation that would promote euthanasia of any kind. The rumors out there are flat out lies...It is not mandatory and it has nothing to do with euthanasia." But since the House bill includes the legal term "shall," the Dean of Liberty University School of Law Mat Staver disagrees. "I just went back and re-read the bill. The end-of-life counseling is mandatory and there is a 5 year requirement that it must occur every 5 years. The bill is on our website and people can read it for themselves. It is not new that AARP favors killing their own members. They...do not have the best interests of their members in mind."

    Attorney Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel had stronger words. "AARP is lying. See pages 424, 425 and 426 of HR 3200. The government 'consultation' that seniors 'shall' get if they have 'not had such a consultation within the last 5 years' is clearly designed to encourage them to get out of the way and to just go ahead and die already."

    Widely respected Minister Rick Joyner wrote, after reviewing Mat Staver's detailed analysis of H.R. 3200 "Health" care bill, voicing his strong opinion that this bill "is about euthanasia, the power to determine who lives or dies in America. Hitler and Stalin would have loved to have had a means such as this for dispatching the millions they killed—it would have made their job much easier, and probably given them the ability to kill many more than they did. THIS BILL IS THAT SINISTER. This is not a joke."


    2) Tax-payer funded ABORTION on demand is another guaranteed result.

    Last week several so-called "pro-life Democrats" executed a bait and switch that will fully fund abortion on demand in the new Obamacare "health" bill. Led by compromiser and ex-pro-life Congressman Tim Ryan (D-OH), who was recently booted as an advisor to Democrats for Life of America for his lack of principle, the liberal House Democrats overruled conservative Republicans 30-28 to pass the hideous "Capps Amendment" to H.R.3200 in the Energy and Commerce Committee. This amendment now deceptively creates a phony accounting scheme that gives the false impression your tax-payer dollars will not subsidize abortion, while it simultaneously nationalizes free abortions for low-income urban neighborhoods, fulfilling the dream of Margaret Sanger (and her protege Ruth Bader Ginsburg) that African American babies will be the first exterminated in the government funded ovens that weed out "Populations that we don't want to have too many of."

    Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) explained the Capps Amendment: "It's one of the most deceptive amendments I have ever seen. The bottom line is that money is fungible, and the plan itself will be subsidizing abortion-on-demand, with taxpayer funding commingled, and the numbers of abortions will go up significantly."

    3) Obama will REMOVE Christian prayers and symbols from Government-run hospitals

    The hostile socialist government takeover of Catholic or Christian hospitals will eventually result in atheistic silencing of religious expression (and removing all Christian symbols) from the very place where faith in God is critical to sick and dying patients. For example, look at the Veterans Hospitals, already government-run, who are busy removing crosses and Christian symbols from their chapels (like in Iowa), because easily-offended atheist complainers have successfully intimidated hospital administrators with threats of lawsuit, by demanding separation of church and state. Just imagine more atheist lawsuits, when all Catholic and Christian hospitals are seized in the same way Obama took control of General Motors, inviting easily-offended atheist complainers to demand we change the name of the hospital from "St. Luke's Memorial" to the "Obama Government" hospital, falsely claiming tax-dollars cannot subsidize religion. But if St. Luke's refuses government subsidies, they will be drummed out of business, and Christian doctors' licenses revoked.

    Can a government-run hospital still allow Christian chapels, or pay Christian chaplains, or permit Christian doctors to pray Christian prayers with their willing patients, or even allow Christian parents to control the health care options forced upon their dying children? Just ask Florida Hospital Chaplain Danny Harvey, fired last year from Leesburg Regional Medical Center because he prayed "in Jesus name" at a public memorial service. Ask Christian Pharmacists who Washington has already forced to dispense "Plan-B" abortion pills against their conscience, or doctors denied a "conscience clause" to opt out of abortions when Obama refused to renew Bush's pro-life executive orders. Ask Nurse Catherina Lorena Cenzon-DeCarlo, who recently was forced to participate in a second-trimester abortion against her will, and is now suing Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan for “blatantly” violating her rights under a 35 year old federal law that protects health care workers with religious objections from being forced to assist in murderous abortions. Ask Pentecostal Ministers Dale and Leilani Neumann, who were charged with second-degree murder of their 11-year-old daughter, because they refused to trust the power of a government hospital to heal their little girl who tragically died with diabetes. Can you say mandatory godlessness in "health" care? If government has power to dictate your health care options, they also have power to seize your children when you refuse. Think about it. Will you dare refuse the H1N1 vaccine when ordered to poison your children? No religious exemptions for doctors, patients, or parents are readily apparent in the current Obamacare bill. So take action with me...

    4) Homosexuals free $50,000 tax-funded sex-change surgery not excluded by Democrats.

    Matt Barber with Liberty Counsel made phone calls to several Congressional staffers, and Democrats from the offices of Sen. Harry Reid, Rep. Charlie Rangel, Rep. Barney Frank and the House Subcommittee on Health all refused to give, very simply, ‘an assurance that the proposed health care plan will not allow taxpayer funded gender reassignment surgeries or hormone therapies.’ Instead, they affirmed page 972 of the House version of the bill (H.R. 3200) which provides for “standards, as appropriate, for the collection of accurate data on health and health care” based on “sex, sexual orientation [and] gender identity.” The Senate draft likewise requires the Department of Health and Human Services to "develop standards for the measurement of gender." (i.e., officially recognize subjectively self-determined "transgender" or "transsexual" gender identities). It further mandates "participation in the institutions’ programs of individuals and groups from…different genders and sexual orientations." Democrats want more than 2 genders included the bill. In your townhall meetings, ask them how many? Forgive me, but I was raised on a farm, and there was one simple test for "measuring the gender" of mammals. They're either male or female. Just look.

    The bottom line? Your tax-dollars will pay for preferential hiring of homosexual hospital administrators, who distribute $50,000 grants to gender-confused activists for unneeded elective surgery to mutilate their own genitals, (and force Christian doctors to perform it.) And nobody has yet offered an amendment that excludes this. Let's get started, by asking your Congressman in your town hall meetings this week, "Will you sponsor an amendment that excludes elective sex-change operations from tax-payer funding?" Some media complain conservatives hire thugs to challenge Congress with tough questions, but we don't. So please just read the bill summary far below, get informed, and show up to speak Truth at town hall.

    So let me summarize Obama's health care plan: 1) Euthenizes grandma, 2) Mandates funding murder of innocent children, 3) Empowers atheist litigants to outlaw the healing power of the Christian faith, 4) Refuses to exclude funding sex-change operations.

    We all gasped when the federal government seized control of General Motors, and Obama effectively fired the Chairman and replaced the board with government bureaucrats selected by Treasury Secretary Geithner. Now Obama and his liberal Democratic House allies want to replace your doctors with bureaucrats, hasten grandma's demise, abort and kill children in urban neighborhoods, cut doctors' pay and control their religion, and transform Christian hospitals into government-controlled atheist bureaucracies. Does any of this remind you of Communism? I won't stand idly by to allow this. I will email, telephone, snailmail and fax Congress to say, "no to Obamacare." Will you?

    BELOW IS THE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE 1000 PAGE HEALTH CARE PLAN BY MAT STAVER, DEAN OF LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW:

    Obama Health Care Plan Details... continued next post...



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    Continued from previous post...

    HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives

    *HC = "Health Care"

    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

    Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

    Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill - HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise

    Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Health Care Card will be issued!

    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions and community organizations (ACORN).

    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control.

    Pg 84 Sec 203 HC Bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The government will ration your health care!

    Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services.

    Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The government will use groups i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for government Health Care Plan

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your health care WILL be rationed

    Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

    Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against this government monopoly.

    Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The government will tell YOU what you can make.

    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k and above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

    Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k and 400k who do not provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

    Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care according to government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay).

    Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans' financial and personal records.

    Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it says that.

    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.

    Pg 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of doctors' time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

    Pg 265 Sec 1131Government mandates and controls productivity for private health care industries.

    Pg 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

    Page 280 Sec 1151 The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Government will penalize you.

    Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

    pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception, BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health Care the way they want. Rationing.

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan.

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Committee. Health care by phone/Internet?

    Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consultion. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

    Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

    Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends.

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consult" will be used frequently as patient's health deteriorates.

    Pg 429 Lines 10-12 " advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

    Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non-profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

    Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

    Pg 489 Sec 1308 The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. They will insert government into your marriage.

    Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

    PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.

    Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records.

    Pg 503 lines 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the U.S. who have any of your data.

    Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The "Center" will collect data both published and unpublished (that means public and your private info).

    PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.

    PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from Health Care consumer reps – Can you say unions and ACORN?

    PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.

    PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what quality means in health care. Since when does government know about quality?

    Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, government will transfer money from other government Trust Funds. More Taxes.

    PG 624 "Quality" measures shall be designed to assess outcomes and functional status of patients.

    PG 624 "Quality" measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc.

    Pg 628 Sec 1443 Government will give "Multi-Stake Holders" Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of "Quality" Measures.

    Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those multi-stake holder groups include unions and groups like ACORN deciding health care quality.

    Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any "Quality measure" of health care services as they see fit.

    PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed "Quality Measures" for Physician Services and Dialysis Services.

    Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Government wants to shine sunlight on doctor but not government.

    Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.

    PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

    Pg 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.

    Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. Do they mean like the government with an $18 million website?

    PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of health care plan isn’t in Government Health Care Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment.

    PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints (ACORN) on health care provider or supplier, government can do background check.

    PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny health care providers/ suppliers admittance into Health Care Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.

    Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.

    PG 722 Sec 1639 Government MANDATES doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Services.

    PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same government certifications will apply to Medicaid and CHIP (your kids).

    PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other health care service.

    Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement, proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Attorney General access to ALL data.

    PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (That's your tax dollars people).

    Pg 757-762 Federal Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)

    Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin.

    Pg 765 Sec 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)

    Pg 768 Sec 1713 Government – Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks).

    Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.

    Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - "increasing birth intervals between pregnancies." Government ABORTIONS anyone?

    Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion and State Sovereignty.

    Pg 789-797 Government will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.

    Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control doctors’ educations.

    PG 801 Sec 1751 The government will decide which health care conditions will be paid. Can you say RATION!

    Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. req. to register. Government takes over private payment system.

    Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.

    Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.

    PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self-insured to pay for Trust Fund!

    PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.

    Pg 838-840 Government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families expecting kids.

    PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes government coming into your house and telling you how to parent!!!

    Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s billion.

    Pg 865 The government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.

    PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where doctors perform mandatory health care for two years for part loan repayment.

    PG 876-892 The government takes over the education of our medical students and doctors.

    PG 898 The government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.

    PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.

    PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of officers of Regular and Reserve Corps of Service.

    PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.

    PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular and Reserve Officers. HC Draft?

    PG 910 The government will develop, build, and run Public Health Training Centers.

    PG 913-914 Government starts a health care affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.

    PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDDATES Cultural and linguistic competency training for health care professionals.

    Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative and Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000 billion.

    PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. That means controlling YOU!!

    PG 936 Government will develop "Healthy People and National Public Health Performance Standards" Tell me what to eat?

    PG 942 Lines 22-25 More government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health

    PG 950- 980 BIG GOVERNMENT core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems, health info sys, etc.

    PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance.

    PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say government brainwash!

    PG 1001 The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

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    Now lets see, suicide is a sin according to the bible, and BHO supports this, so maybe he is indeed the anti christ...
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

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