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  1. #31

    Cool

    Is this really smoking gun of Obama’s Kenyan birth?
    (WorldNetDaily)



    California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama’s eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.


    This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961

    The document lists Obama’s parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.


    Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961

    No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.

    WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.


    An enlarged view of the bottom of the document


    Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

    Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn’t want his name known because “he’s afraid for his life.”

    Taitz’s motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama’s birth – both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained – be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    “I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds,” Taitz told WND. “I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].

    “I’m forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond,” she said.

    “Before, they said, ‘You don’t have anything backing your claims,’” Taitz explained. “Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures.”

    Taitz’s most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama’s eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren’t valid because of questions surrounding Obama’s constitutional eligibility.

    Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook’s case.

    The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook’s former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

    WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook’s case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.

    WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook’s concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes “merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen.”

    Cook told WND: “As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a ‘natural-born citizen,’ he is not eligible to be commander in chief.”

    The new complaint says it seeks Cook’s reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president “from further retaliation for plaintiff’s challenge to the president’s constitutional authority.”

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    WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

    Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama’s American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

    Other challenges have focused on Obama’s citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

    Complicating the situation is Obama’s decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.

    WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

    Developing …

    August 2, 2009

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by matthewaynelson View Post
    Ok fellas… if you won’t listen to your fellow USACARRY brothers… perhaps you’ll listen to CHUCK NORRIS.

    It’s a matter of TRUST.
    I do listen to my fellow USACarry brothers and actually read the entire posts. It is simply my belief the proof has been presented and because of dislike for Obama is being overlooked. I am NOT an Obama supporter as my posts will show but I don't subscribed to the theory he isn't natural born. You can see my arguments here:

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...e-pending.html

    Hawaii officials have stated numerous times his Hawaii birth certificate is on file and official. This doesn't mean I trust him. Clinton was born in the USA and I didn't trust him either.

  4. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    give it up people. You are wasting your time worrying with this issue. xd fender is right more things to focus on.
    The only time JW shows up is when he needs to defend his boy the Big O!

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    Someone posted the list of the next 15 or so people in line for the Presidency if something should happen to BHO. In looking over that list I say shut up about the birth certificate. The list gets worse as you go down it and I would rather have what we have now than anyone on the list.
    Either the Constitution matters or it does not...

    IF we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing...

  6. #35

    Denial

    There is a word for the refusal to accept facts. It is denial. Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

    WorldNetDaily is wrong, Taitz is wrong, and their agenda is based on hate and spreading fear. It's not about enforcing the Constitution, it's about lies.

    The Republican Party has been taken over by the Four Horseman of Calumny, fear, ignorance, bigotry, and smear.

    As long as good Republicans and conservatives remain silent, the Democrats will rule. We'll have Pelosi, Feinstein, and company running the show in Congress and liberals laughing all the way to the Capitol. If that is what you want, keep up this nonsense.
    Republican Party has been taken over by the Four Horsemen of Calumny,
    Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear.

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by LaBulldog View Post
    There is a word for the refusal to accept facts. It is denial. Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

    WorldNetDaily is wrong, Taitz is wrong, and their agenda is based on hate and spreading fear. It's not about enforcing the Constitution, it's about lies.

    The Republican Party has been taken over by the Four Horseman of Calumny, fear, ignorance, bigotry, and smear.

    As long as good Republicans and conservatives remain silent, the Democrats will rule. We'll have Pelosi, Feinstein, and company running the show in Congress and liberals laughing all the way to the Capitol. If that is what you want, keep up this nonsense.
    When there are facts you be sure and let us know...




    The wise determine from the gravity of the case; the irritable, from sensibility to oppression; the high minded, from disdain and indignation at abusive power in unworthy hands.
    Edmund Burke

  8. #37
    When someone shows me the facts, I will believe them. Until then, I trust NOTHING that Obama does. After hearing about ACORN, after hearing about the "czars", after hearing about SEUI, after hearing about Congress pushing through legislation without reading the bills - hell, after they admitted that they had no intention of reaading the bills, after hearing about secret meetings to pass these bills without Republican input, after hearing about how us people are just a bunch of malcontents and extremists, and finally after hearing about how much Obama is spending to prevent anyone from seeing the actual records of his birth - and NO, the stuff on the Web is NOT official and not a birth record, only a certificate of live birth...

    AFTER ALL THAT - can you still tell me that there is nothing to suspect, and that we must accept a man who is openly trying to destroy this country and bring it into the socialist EU camp? After you watch town hall meeting all over this country turn ugly with protests BY ORDINARY PEOPLE, can you truthfully say no one should be suspicious?
    -= Piece Corps =-

  9. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Piece Corps View Post
    When someone shows me the facts, I will believe them. Until then, I trust NOTHING that Obama does. After hearing about ACORN, after hearing about the "czars", after hearing about SEUI, after hearing about Congress pushing through legislation without reading the bills - hell, after they admitted that they had no intention of reaading the bills, after hearing about secret meetings to pass these bills without Republican input, after hearing about how us people are just a bunch of malcontents and extremists, and finally after hearing about how much Obama is spending to prevent anyone from seeing the actual records of his birth - and NO, the stuff on the Web is NOT official and not a birth record, only a certificate of live birth...

    AFTER ALL THAT - can you still tell me that there is nothing to suspect, and that we must accept a man who is openly trying to destroy this country and bring it into the socialist EU camp? After you watch town hall meeting all over this country turn ugly with protests BY ORDINARY PEOPLE, can you truthfully say no one should be suspicious?

    +1. I trust the Obamanation about as far as I could throw him. No wait a minute I do trust him. I trust him to shaft us and trample the constitution under foot.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBulldog View Post
    There is a word for the refusal to accept facts. It is denial. Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
    What are you talking about? You can't show me any evidence.
    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. - Ronald Reagan

  11. #40
    The independent website dedicated to checking claims, counter-claims, etc. regardless of who claimed what, FactCheck.org. FactCheck.org: Born in the USA and more citizen guibbles andanother

    I realize that no matter what, there will always be people who will dispute and refuse to believe.
    "None are so blind who refuse to see."
    Republican Party has been taken over by the Four Horsemen of Calumny,
    Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear.

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