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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo900 View Post
    The MAJORITY of the people of the United States of America listens and follows the MEDIA, period. I am talking about ALL of the major media outlets. And if you want to win and maintain the "RIGHT" to bear arms, then you guys need to start meeting people in the middle. I hear GUN OWNERS calling Mr. Kostic a "nut job", but you will never hear an anti-gun person calling another anti-gun person a "nut job". What we need is for the media to look at gun owners as regular law abiding citizens just going about our daily lives. That's why they have those "open carry picnics" & "open carry litter pick-ups" televised by the news. To show and educate people, who don't know or were too scared to ask, about firearms and related laws. You get the people behind you, and the politicians, judges and media will fall right into line.

    There's a very wise saying "Speak softly and carry a big stick and you will go far"- Teddy Roosevelt quoting an African proverb.

    We need more of this: kare11.com | Twin Cities, MN | Packing buns and guns: Hundreds expected for pistol picnic
    and less of this: Students march against guns on campus | KXAN.com
    Quoting one of the founding fathers of Progressivism, is not going to make your case any more believable by individuals whom support the Constitution and Second Amendment as they were written and intended by our founding fathers...

    "Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe 1789

    "We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed" - Thomas Jefferson 1824

    In Jefferson’s own words, its not only our right to be armed, but our duty to be armed at all times...

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    Something bothered me about the orignial video from MSNBC about 56 seconds in. It shows Mr Kostic wearing a ear piece for a radio... Just curious... why.... ?????
    Semper Fi

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    Is John McCain a Progressivist???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Quoting one of the founding fathers of Progressivism, is not going to make your case any more believable by individuals whom support the Constitution and Second Amendment as they were written and intended by our founding fathers...
    Why wouldn't it make my case? John McCain stated that "Teddy Roosevelt" WAS HIS HERO!!! A PROGRESSIVIST, omg the horror. McCain repeated the "Big Stick" quote TWICE during the presidential debate in '08. So it appears that McCain quoted one of the founding fathers of Progressivism to make his case believable to "individuals whom support the Constitution and Second Amendment as they were written and intended by our founding fathers..."

    Unless you didn't vote for McCain. YouTube - McCain on Pakistan: FNC 10/07/08

  5. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo900 View Post
    Why wouldn't it make my case? John McCain stated that "Teddy Roosevelt" WAS HIS HERO!!! A PROGRESSIVIST, omg the horror. McCain repeated the "Big Stick" quote TWICE during the presidential debate in '08. So it appears that McCain quoted one of the founding fathers of Progressivism to make his case believable to "individuals whom support the Constitution and Second Amendment as they were written and intended by our founding fathers..."

    Unless you didn't vote for McCain. YouTube - McCain on Pakistan: FNC 10/07/08
    For starters...

    One: Juan Amnesty Loving Second Amendment Infringing McCain quoting Teddy Roosevelt makes him appear more of a progressive then he is...

    Two: Roosevelt was the founder of the Progressive party...

    Three: Theodore Roosevelt extended executive authority farther then any peacetime President in history... (Abused the Constitution)

    Four: Theodore Roosevelt was adamantly opposed to Thomas Jefferson's and the Founding Fathers view of the Constitution...

    Five: Roosevelt believed in BIG GOVERNMENT and like Woodrow Wilson, FDR and now the Usurper Obama IMPOSED IT ON US...

    Six: The legend of Teddy Roosevelt was bigger then his actual accomplishments...

    Seven: progressivism - NOT A GOOD THING...

    Eight: Read The Dilemma of Progressivism : How Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson Reshaped the American Regime of Self-Government by Will Morrisey

    Nine: Think before you quote...

    Ten: McCain has a horrible record supporting the Second Amendment...

    Eleven: John McCain's Gun Control Problem - John McCain's Gun Control Problem

    Twelve: McCain's hypocrisy on the Second Amendment is largely responsible for Obama winning the White House, McCain could not make the sale that he would be any better then Obama... a lot of people stayed home and did not vote because of McCain...

    "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it." - Edmund Burke

    John McCain Is A Liberal Gun Grabber
    John McCain Is A Liberal Gun Grabber
    by Pastor Chuck Baldwin
    As published at NewsWithViews
    Gun Owners of America

    The last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. If the Presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a "D" behind their name. But put an "R" behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat.

    Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency. With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives and Christians suddenly find their principles and are able to offer resistance. Put a Republican in the Oval Office, however, and those same people become blind, deaf, and dumb to most any principle they profess.

    Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

    John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."

    John McCain also sponsored an Incumbent Protection provision to the so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" bill, which severely curtails the ability of outside groups (such as GOA) to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.

    The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.

    In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.

    For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years.

    But there is so much more to the McCain madness.

    Former California State Senator H.L. "Bill" Richardson wrote this about John McCain, "He's [McCain's] proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.

    "Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike for all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence."

    Senator Richardson went on to say that he would in no way vote for John McCain, if indeed McCain is the Republican nominee (which he obviously will be).

    I wonder how many gun owners and other professing pro-freedom Americans have already fallen victim to McCain's phony conservative campaign? Do they not realize that they are giving a rope to the hangman? And that they--conservatives and gun owners--are the ones who McCain will send to the gallows? What is wrong with the American people these days? Have they not been betrayed enough by these phony conservative Republicans?

    For example, President George W. Bush recently nominated Michael Sullivan to be Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Sullivan is one of the nation's most rabid anti-gunners. GOA's Larry Pratt describes Sullivan as being "as anti-gun as Ted Kennedy." Honest gun owners, lawful firearms dealers, and law-abiding gun show operators could have no worse enemy within the federal government than Michael Sullivan. We could expect no worse from Hillary Clinton. And a John McCain Presidency would doubtless give us more of the same.

    Regarding the Second Amendment, the American people have no better friend than Ron Paul. He has a 20-year proven track record of fidelity to the right to keep and bear arms. The GOA rates Congressman Paul with a grade of A+. According to GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt, Ron Paul has been a leader in the fight to defend and restore the Second Amendment. He has sponsored legislation to repeal the following: the Brady law; the requirement to lock up your guns; the law permitting the U.S. to be part of the U.N (which, among other attacks on American freedoms, seeks to ban privately transferred firearms); participation in UNESCO; federal prohibitions on any pilot wishing to carry a handgun to and in his cockpit; and the so-called "assault weapons" ban (prior to its sunsetting in 2004).

    Ron Paul has also sponsored legislation requiring states to treat the concealed carry permit of one state the same as they do that state's driver's license. Dr. Paul also opposes a national ID card, which would be a tool of government to identify gun ownership.

    Gun owners (along with conservatives and Christians of all sorts) should be ashamed of themselves for allowing an angry, gun-grabbing liberal such as John McCain to become the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, while rejecting the candidacy of one of America's most principled pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-Constitution, and pro-freedom legislators of this generation: Congressman Ron Paul.

    I say again, the last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. John McCain may have an "R" behind his name, but he is just another establishment liberal: one America cannot afford.

  6. #45
    YouTube - Obama buff spits on Ron Paul fan ( New Hampshire town hall) That's more video of the event and how the police dealt with it. Then you have some Said to be union thug who came over to him and go in his face and then spit on the camera man and his little butt buddy kicked someone and then they walked away.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

  7. #46
    Apparently today there were as many as 15 persons armed and open-carrying weapons, including at least 2 AR-15's at Obama's AZ Townhall meeting.

    This could be the start of something interesting for 2A rights.

    Here's the MSNBC link (from the Huffington Post):

    Man Carrying Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle And Pistol Outside Obama Event (VIDEO)
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

  8. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by pianomistro View Post
    I can't believe the responses that the reporters and Chris Matthews had to his carrying a gun. If I lived in NH, I would be standing right next to him with my Sig on my side as well. I think that he's right in that you have to "exercise your rights or you will lose them". And his response about whether or not his gun was loaded was the best thing I've heard in a long time. Why would you not carry it loaded? Even if you don't carry "cocked and locked", but even carrying condition 4 is fine with me. (Cartridges in the magazine, empty chamber, hammer forward) Then at least you have a chance to defend yourself.

    And I think that open carry should be an option nationwide. Concealed carry is one subject that is tough to call because of the individual state's requirements on who can carry and what each person must do to be able to. But open carry is a much simpler topic. If you have a problem with people carrying their firearm to defend themselves, then maybe you should take a look at the Constitution again and decide if you want to live in this country or not.

    There was recently a bill that made its way into congress (I believe it was shot down by the way) that had a clause essentially unionizing concealed carry in the nation. This bill's provisions would let any person who had a concealed carry license in ANY state, whether resident or non-resident, to carry concealed in EVERY state that allows concealed carry, which would exclude Illinois and Wisconsin. What needs to happen is that such a bill needs to go through in the effect of open carry instead of concealed carry. The problem with the bill that was written was that voters did not like the fact that a person who lives in a state like Alaska or New Hampshire, who have no requirements for concealed carry, could carry in a state like New York or even Maryland, who have some of the harshest gun laws in the nation. For instance, in Maryland, where I live, to be eligible for a CCW permit, you have to have a court signed document saying that your life has been threatened at least once and you REQUIRE, not want, REQUIRE a handgun to be carried. That's of course for the average civilian. Doctors, lawyers, pharmacists and business owners can simply apply and get a permit however, no questions asked.

    /rant
    Please note this link from Hotair.com...apparently an Obama supporter was spotted with an AR-15 in Phoenix (and I'm posting this because I'm sure they'll be about 1/10th the coverage:

    Hot Air Blog Archive Video: People bringing assault rifles to Obama rallies now

  9. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by SigFan View Post
    Please note this link from Hotair.com...apparently an Obama supporter was spotted with an AR-15 in Phoenix (and I'm posting this because I'm sure they'll be about 1/10th the coverage:

    Hot Air Blog Archive Video: People bringing assault rifles to Obama rallies now
    Why did you post the same video that Ecocks already posted.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

  10. #49
    Apparently still needs repeating...

    The Second Amendment reaffirms a pre-existing unalienable right...

    Further, it does not state "Shall Not Be Infringed" except...
    IF your zip code is x, you happen to be standing/sitting at y, the type or class of firearm or weapon you have or desire to have is z or if said weapon is concealed or openly carried...

    The Second Amendment is non-negotiable...

    "Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe 1789

  11. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    Why did you post the same video that Ecocks already posted.
    Sorry, didn't see his post.

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