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    JFK should have been among the top 5 BEST presidents. Yes he was a democrat but who else would have stood up against the Russians at a time it was badly needed? Yes the Bay Of Pigs was a failure, yes his administration was so short lived as to not allow a complete evaluation of his presidency but he did much more in his time than Obama could dream of. While his brother Ed is less than desirable his brother Robert was another great man. Just my opinion.

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  3. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    JFK should have been among the top 5 BEST presidents. Yes he was a democrat but who else would have stood up against the Russians at a time it was badly needed? Yes the Bay Of Pigs was a failure, yes his administration was so short lived as to not allow a complete evaluation of his presidency but he did much more in his time than Obama could dream of. While his brother Ed is less than desirable his brother Robert was another great man. Just my opinion.
    Although I tend to agree with you on JFK I cannot agree with you on Bobby. Bobby was out to punish people especially the South and if lived would have mad FDR look like a conservative. JFK had to overrule RFK several times on his agenda to crush anyone who stood in his way. Teddy was somewhere between the two.

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    Although I tend to agree with you on JFK I cannot agree with you on Bobby. Bobby was out to punish people especially the South and if lived would have mad FDR look like a conservative. JFK had to overrule RFK several times on his agenda to crush anyone who stood in his way. Teddy was somewhere between the two.
    While Bobby was a bit of a bulldog when it came to achieving his goals most of those he went after were criminals in some way. Remember it was his reign as Attorney General that almost accomplished the downfall of the Mafia. Some others were political rivals that may not have been so clean either. The Kennedy clan had it's share of shady pasts but all-in-all John and Bobby both did a great deal for the country.

  5. #14
    JFK was an ineffective president with little to his credit beyond the fact he won, essentially, a stare-down with the USSR. Public policy? Nothing to speak of. Fiscal policy? Ditto. Foreign policy was marked by a brief pissing contest involving Cuber. What history tends to ignore is his hand in escalating the U.S. presence in Vietnam. France said, "Don't touch it, it's not worth your trouble."

    Had he not been assassinated, he would likely be relegated next to Coolidge in the list of least notable presidents.
    Victory rewards not the army that fires the most rounds, but who is the more accurate shot. ---Unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    JFK should have been among the top 5 BEST presidents. Yes he was a democrat but who else would have stood up against the Russians at a time it was badly needed? Yes the Bay Of Pigs was a failure, yes his administration was so short lived as to not allow a complete evaluation of his presidency but he did much more in his time than Obama could dream of. While his brother Ed is less than desirable his brother Robert was another great man. Just my opinion.
    You have got to be fricking kidding me...
    “Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.” - Edmund Burke

    JFK like Obama was all Glamour and No Game...

    JFK was a moral-less womanizer as was Slick-Willie Clinton..

    "JFK was the only president who was hated by communists and capitalists with equal measure. He was an enemy to both because he was a true socialist"
    Reader JFK Camelot

    JFK... mmm Country was solvent when he went into office... did not even serve one full term and put the country a trillion dollars in debt with his fricking entitlement programs, federal reserve b.s. ... further fricking compounded by LBJ's entitlement programs (Great Society programs AKA: JFK's Campaign Promises)...
    We have never been solvent since...
    Some more high-lights... Executive Order 11110, Slept while the Berlin wall was built, been putting up with Castro's b.s. since his bay of pigs failure, got us into Vietnam, Right-To-Work Initiatives, Federal Reserve Fiasco, the original free enterprise socialist...

    JFK; Until Obama no other President (Usurper In Obama's Case) had put the Country in deeper debt as fast or faster in Obama's case... as Obama spent more money in his first 30 days in office then all governments combined did in their entirety, in the entire history of the Country; inflation adjusted...

    JFK's Biggest Secret Revealed -- But Will Congress Keep History from Repeating Itself?

    Attorney General RFK? please... he was best known for his EXTREME GUN CONTROL AGENDA... Totally supported by his brother JFK another compromising member of the NRA...
    Ever hear of the 1968 GCA? It was an RFK Initiative...

    1968: Robert Kennedy Heckled in Oregon Over Gun Controls, a week later he was dead




    For all the forced comparisons to the other man from Illinois, when it comes to domestic policy, thus far there is no presidency that Barack Obama's resembles more than John F. Kennedy's. Kennedy won the 1960 election by a narrower margin, but was still swept into office in Washington as a history making figure beloved by the intellectual elite. Both were (and are) young, inspiring politicians, who broke political lines once thought impregnable - the one religious, the other racial - buoyed toward the White House by the adoration of the press. On Capitol Hill, both found themselves the beneficiaries of large, filibuster-proof Democratic majorities. And both, when it came to getting things done with those majorities, failed dramatically...
    Obama's JFK Mistake: All Glamour, No Game - CBS News

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    Easy there, Bohemian. I stipulated at the beginning of this thread that ridiculing other people's opinions was not allowed on this thread. You're entitled to your opinion, but so is the guy you're ridiculing.

    Nevertheless, I have to agree with you. While I don't consider JFK to be either among the five best or five worst, if given a choice between rating him as good or bad, I'd have to rate him as bad. The Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs fiasco led this country closer to a nuclear war than any president before or since. He was utterly clueless (a la Clinton) on how to deal with the crisis and it could have led to this country's demise.
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Easy there, Bohemian. I stipulated at the beginning of this thread that ridiculing other people's opinions was not allowed on this thread. You're entitled to your opinion, but so is the guy you're ridiculing.

    Nevertheless, I have to agree with you. While I don't consider JFK to be either among the five best or five worst, if given a choice between rating him as good or bad, I'd have to rate him as bad. The Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs fiasco led this country closer to a nuclear war than any president before or since. He was utterly clueless (a la Clinton) on how to deal with the crisis and it could have led to this country's demise.
    It's alright Tatt, disagreements are a way of life and don't bother me. However, before we trounce on John and Bobby Kennedy about firearms take a look at the following:

    The history of gun control, part 2

    And a quote from a JFK speech:

    "Today we need a nation of minute men; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of American, cannot succeed with any lesser effort."

    As I said before his administration was cut to short to make an all out decision on what kind of president he would have ended up being.

  9. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    It's alright Tatt, disagreements are a way of life and don't bother me. However, before we trounce on John and Bobby Kennedy about firearms take a look at the following:

    The history of gun control, part 2

    And a quote from a JFK speech:

    "Today we need a nation of minute men; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of American, cannot succeed with any lesser effort."

    As I said before his administration was cut to short to make an all out decision on what kind of president he would have ended up being.
    I have to agree to disagree again...

    We are still feeling the negative impacts of JFK's Presidency...

    As we starting feeling the Negative impacts of Obama's Presidency on (Usurpation) November 5th, 2008...
    And the article you link to is either from or heavily influenced by the compromising NRA, whom do not want to cast their compromising members like JFK, RFK, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson and Wayne LaPierre in a bad light, whom also fail to mention Attorney General RFK's Lifetime On Going Gun Control Initiative that was wholly backed by his hypocritical brother (All Hype-and-No Game) the President JFK... Continued by Brother Ted "If you don't like the way I drive stay off the bridge"...
    And JFK's speech does not mean any more then Obama's lame as s speeches...
    And both individuals said speeches varied greatly depending on their audience...
    And LBJ's Actions were JFK's Campaign Promises...

    And JFK's CHOICE of Legendary Gun-Banner V.P. in LBJ epitomize's his values, and credibility to say the least...
    RFK's Gun Control Dream of the 68 GCA was made a reality because his legend (Like his brother JFK's) was made out to be bigger then then real-man was, when he was killed; just like they are trying to do now with Teddy-Care, AKA: ObamaCare, AKA: Socialized Medicine...

    Coincidentally, the 68 GCA was introduced in 1963 by Senator Thomas J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut (later convicted felon) and the father of Senator Chris Dodd (now facing similar charges)... IT should be further noted that the compromising NRA helped draft that bill that ultimately became the 1968 GCA... while omitting that fact from their members, yet another NRA Sell-Out... snakes for decades...
    Gun Control Act of 1968 ? FREE Gun Control Act of 1968 information | Encyclopedia.com: Find Gun Control Act of 1968 research

    Leave it to the fricking liberals to never let a crisis, tragedy go to waste...

    Compare JFK to somebody like Jefferson or Cleveland and you quickly see JFK like Obama is far from noteworthy and we have had plenty of time to make a concise opinion of each individuals Presidency (Usurpation in Obama's case)...

    "I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the general government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadfastly resisted, to the end that the lesson should be constantly enforced that, though the people support the government, the government should not support the people. The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow-citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood."
    Grover Cleveland 22nd & 24th President of the United States.




    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/infor...em.asp?ID=3247
    ...As the Gun Control Act of 1968 was nearing the President's desk, NRA was being accused by Senator Robert Kennedy (D-NY) of not supporting "any legislation to try and control the misuse of rifles and pistols in this country." Naturally, NRA needed to respond to the allegation, and they responded with great detail and unusual candor.
    To deflect Senator Kennedy's assertion, NRA published an article by their magazine's Associate Editor entitled "WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION" — elaborating at length about NRA's longstanding support for a wide variety of gun controls that included gun and gunowner registration, waiting periods, age restrictions, licenses for carrying a firearm or having a firearm in your vehicle, increased penalties for violating gun laws, regulating ammunition and more.
    Following are several telling quotes from the March 1968 American Rifleman — NRA's premier magazine, then and now — and brief analysis of a few of them. The complete article from which these quotes were taken can be found further below. Scanned images of this article are also linked below.
    First, let's clear up the matter of NRA's support of NFA'34:
    "The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. ... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22
    Unless someone has evidence to prove that the NRA lied to its membership in its premier magazine, let the record show that the NRA got behind the first unconstitutional federal gun law in America and then bragged about having done so, many years later — decades after the law had been continually used to violate the rights of untold numbers of American citizens, including, surely, their own members.
    The "Dodd" to which the above quote refers is the late Senator Thomas J. Dodd. Senator Dodd mimicked the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938, applied the underlying principles to the Gun Control Act of 1968, and took a leading role in getting the bill signed into federal law...

    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3247


  10. #19
    No matter what one thinks of JFK I think most would agree that America took a big step for the worse when LBJ became president. Great Society.Not.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  11. Not really sure as how to answer this one....

    Is it the president's fault or is it Congress. Correct me if I am wrong, but the president cant do anything unless Congress OK's it, right?

    I can understand the thought process behind some of the answers on here, but our current president hasnt been in office a whole year and there are many people that wanna put him on the worst list....Why?

    What has he done to get on that list? What is he doing to keep him off of that list? We all say how he is screwing this country up, but what would you do? What are some of your solutions to the things he is screwing up....

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