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  1. #31

    Oppose ObamaCare - Say NoBamaCare To Congress



    From the Desk of:
    Steve Elliott, President, Grassfire.org Alliance

    Concerned Citizen,

    We just learned that the Senate Finance Committee will vote
    on its sketchy version of ObamaCare on this Tuesday October 13th.

    It's all part of the Reid/Pelosi/Obama plan to ram through
    a final healthcare bill that was written behind closed doors
    with little or no public debate.

    But the key first step is getting ObamaCare passed through
    the Finance Committee on Tuesday. If Chairman Baucus fails
    on Tuesday, it would be a serious blow to the Democrats'
    stealth plan. Here's why...

    + + The Stealth Plan to pass ObamaCare

    Right now, Baucus is trying to use the Congressional Budget
    Office report on his bill to get enough Senators on board
    for passage on Tuesday.

    This is key because once two committees pass a bill, Harry
    Reid can use his procedural power to merge the bills and
    move his revised version (the one Obama and the Democrats
    really want) directly to the Senate floor.

    Heritage Foundation is reporting that Reid will replace the
    text of an existing unrelated bill with his version of
    ObamaCare and force a floor vote. Since his version will
    be crafted behind closed doors, the public will have
    little or no time to review before a Senate floor vote!

    Then, Nancy Pelosi would take the same bill back to the House,
    pass it quickly and send it to Obama. With blitzkrieg speed
    we will have ObamaCare passed and signed into law!

    But there's one catch...

    The Left must get the bill through the Finance Committee on Tuesday.

    + +Action Item #1 - Fax your Senators and the Committee Now!

    We literally need to shut down the Senate between now and
    Tuesday with faxes, phone calls, emails... everything we can
    muster!

    Please go here to schedule faxes for immediate delivery to
    your two Senators and key Senators on the Finance
    Committee:
    http://www.grassfire.org/

    Or, send your own faxes. Go here for instructions, fax content,
    sample text and contact list. Click here to send your own faxes:
    http://www.grassfire.org/

    + +Action Item #2 - Call Key Senators Today!

    After you schedule your faxes, please call and let key Senators
    know where you stand on ObamaCare and the stealth plan to pass
    this bill despite widespread opposition.

    http://www.senate.gov/

    http://www.house.gov/

    Finance Committee numbers:

    Sen. Baucus (Chair): 202-224-2651

    Finance Committee: 202-224-4515

    We have listed other Sen. Finance Committee member numbers here:
    http://www.grassfire.org/


    + + Resources for you

    I want YOU to have the same information that Senators have.

    Here's a link so you can download the CBO "preliminary analysis" that
    Baucus is manipulating for his purposes. Once you look at it you'll
    realize that the Democrats are trying to hide the fact that ObamaCare
    expands government and increases taxes by HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

    Go here to download the CBO report:
    http://www.grassfire.org/

    Also...

    Our ResistNet site has several resources with more information
    and ways for you to take action...

    More resources and talking points:

    Help Us Defeat ObamaCare Now! - Patriotic Resistance!

    Fast-contact strategy to flood the Senate with emails:

    HOW TO CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSMAN TO SHUT DOWN CONGRESS OVER HEALTH CARE - The Way Gingrich Did In The 1990?S (over taxes) - simple, fast and effective - Patriotic Resistance

    Healthcare bill watchdog group:

    Watchdog for the Health Care Bill - Patriotic Resistance

    Thank you for taking action!

    Steve Elliott, President
    Grassfire.org


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    I'm not aware of anything the government ever got involved with that ended up being more efficient or cheaper. But OTOH, something (I don't know what) has to be done to get healthcare costs under control. It's just ridiculous. I think the healthcare industry in general has turned into one big profit making scam with everyone from the doctors to the HMOs to the pharmaceutical makers and everyone in between in collusion to raise prices to the aboslutely unreasonably highest levels the market will bear - to the detrimet of society.
    Why not start by stopping @ the border some of the folks who are sucking up the free medical care.
    And on that note sucking up SSI. and all the other programs they reap but to not pay for, I wonder If that would bring prices down as somebody has to pay for it ?

  4. #33
    i look for it to pass. Hoepfully when it does get to the floor Reid will stick the public option back in their. HOpefully when all this health care reform passes we can move forward in another debate. THis ones about over.

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    i look for it to pass. Hoepfully when it does get to the floor Reid will stick the public option back in their. HOpefully when all this health care reform passes we can move forward in another debate. THis ones about over.

    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  6. #35

    ObamaCare Could be Used to Ban Guns in Home Self-Defense

    ObamaCare Could be Used to Ban Guns in Home Self-Defense
    -- Important vote to occur on this Tuesday October 13th

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
    http://gunowners.org

    Friday, October 9, 2009

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus has something to say to gun owners: "Own a gun; lose your coverage!"

    Baucus' socialized health care bill comes up for a Finance Committee vote on Tuesday. We have waited and waited and waited for the shifty Baucus to release legislative language. But he has refused to release anything but a summary -- and we will never have a Congressional Budget Office cost assessment based on actual legislation. Even the summary was kept secret for a long time.

    But, on the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill (which is still unnumbered) tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It simply says:

    * "all U.S. citizens and legal residents would be required to purchase coverage through (1) the individual market...";

    * "individuals would be required to report on their federal income tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage...";

    * in addition to an extensive list of statutorily mandated coverage, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be empowered to "define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

    ObamaCare and gun control

    It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- we presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

    The ObamaCare bill already contains language that will punish Americans who engage in unhealthy behavior by allowing insurers to charge them higher insurance premiums. (What constitutes an unhealthy lifestyle is, of course, to be defined by legislators.) Don't be surprised if an anti-gun nut like Sebelius uses this line of thinking to impose ObamaCare policies which result in a back-door gun ban on any American who owns "dangerous" firearms.

    After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known.

    The good news is that because homeowner insurance is private (and is still subject to the free market) you can go to another company if one drops you. But what are you going to do under nationalized ObamaCare when the regulations written by Secretary Sebelius suspend the applicability of your government-mandated policy because of your gun ownership?

    All of this is in addition to something that GOA has been warning you about for several months ... the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump your gun information into a federal database ... a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

    Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

    Is this what we need on a national level being applied to every gun owner in America?

    Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

    ACTION: Contact your two U.S. Senators. Ask him or her, in the strongest terms, to vote against the phony Baucus bill.

    You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Senator:

    You already know that the phony Baucus bill:

    * Is predicated on $283 billion in phony "cuts" which have never, never ever been realized since a similar commitment to cut Medicare costs in the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 -- and will never, never ever be realized under the Baucus bill;

    * Requires massive numbers of Americans to have government-approved insurance which the CBO predicts will be more expensive than current policies;

    * Refuses to provide a cost for these policies, making it almost certain that more and more Americans will find insurance beyond their reach;

    * Has no legislative language and nothing but a CBO "guesstimate" of the cost and benefits, based on a summary.

    On the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It does say that the "Secretary of HHS [Kathleen Sebelius] would be required to define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

    This could spell trouble for gun owners.

    It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- I presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

    This is, of course, in addition to the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump my gun information into a federal database -- a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

    Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

    Please oppose the Baucus bill.

    Sincerely,
    your name here

  7. #36

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  8. #37

    Call The Senate Today!

    Stop ObamaCare TODAY!

    From the Desk of:
    Steve Elliott, President, Grassfire.org Alliance


    "This is as urgent a message as I have ever sent to our
    team. Please read the update below, take action and
    immediately forward it to 25-30 friends--urging them
    to follow your lead by clicking below."
    --Steve

    Concerned Citizen,

    There is no time to mince words... the Senate Finance
    Committee will be voting on ObamaCare Today (Tuesday,
    Oct. 13)!

    I am urging ALL members of our team to take immediate action
    beginning 8:30 am (EST) TODAY --via fax and phone!

    I realize we are facing an arduous task, but when fully
    mobilized, we are as powerful a grassroots force as
    there exists in our nation!

    That's precisely why I'm calling on you tonight, Concerned Citizen,
    in hopes that you will help me lead the charge in
    defeating a socialized health care plan that I believe
    will quickly prove to be catastrophic to our nation
    and its people!

    Please take immediate action in two critical ways beginning
    tomorrow morning.

    ++ Action Item #1 - Fax Senate Finance Committee

    Our fax initiative has been steady...

    That's just not good enough.

    If you haven't yet scheduled faxes for immediate
    delivery to your two Senators and key Senators on the
    Finance Committee do so right now by clicking here:
    http://www.grassfire.org/

    Concerned Citizen, we need to send a grassroots message that literally
    rumbles through Congress with the force of an earthquake!

    Many in that committee want nothing to do with you and me.
    These are the folks I want to touch tomorrow! I want these
    people to understand what they are doing to our country and
    how WE are holding THEM accountable!

    They want to cast their vote and I want EVERY member of the
    committee thinking and re-thinking their vote. We literally
    need to shut down the Senate TODAY with
    faxes, phone calls, emails...everything we can muster!

    If you prefer to send them on your own, go here for instructions,
    fax content, sample text and contact list--BUT SEND THEM! Click
    here to send your own faxes:
    http://www.grassfire.org/

    + +Action Item #2 - Call Key Senators Today!

    After you schedule your faxes, please call and let key Senators
    know where you stand on ObamaCare and the stealth plan to pass
    this bill despite widespread opposition.

    http://www.senate.gov/

    http://www.house.gov/

    Finance Committee numbers:

    Sen. Baucus (Chair): 202-224-2651 ****!!!!

    Finance Committee: 202-224-4515 ****!!!!

    We have listed other Sen. Finance Committee member numbers here:
    http://www.grassfire.org/

    After scheduling your faxes and making your calls, forward this
    message to 25-30 friends and family urging them to follow your lead!

    We need a grassroots uprising to take place tomorrow, and I'm
    counting on you and the rest of our amazing Grassfire team to
    make it happen!

    Thank you for taking action.


    Steve Elliott, President
    Grassfire.org

    P.S: Be sure to check with ResistNet.com for additional resources
    and the latest news!

    Patriotic Resistance

  9. #38

    RINO Senator Olympia Snowe - Sticks It To America Again

    Senate Finance Committee Approves Senator Baucus' Health Care Bill

    Bill Passed by 14-9 Vote, Sen. Olympia Snowe the Only Republican to Vote Yes!!!

    America Sold Out by Snowe again!

    This year RINO Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) has voted to Confirm all of Obama's anti-second amendment nominees...
    E.G.: Sotomayor et.al.
    She has also voted for every one of Obama's uber spending bills this year...

    The RINO Must GO!

    Also, whether you are a constituent or not; remind her that a significant amount of her support comes from out of state donors...
    And her transgressions against the Constitution will not be forgotten...

    Contact RINO Senator Olympia Snowe United States Senator From Maine:
    http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index...torSnowe.Email

    My letter to RINO Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) today...

    Senator Snowe,

    I was appalled to hear that today you were the only Republican to vote for Senator Baucus's So-Called Health Reform Bill...

    Apparently you have not only ignored your out of state supporters but your constituents, and the Constitution...

    It has been further noted that you have supported more of this Administrations Socialist Agenda, Nominees and Initiatives, bills, etc., then you have opposed...

    Your failure to uphold the Constitution, the values of your party, your constituents, and the overwhelming majority of the American people will not be forgotten come re-election time; by your constituents & out of state supporters.

    Please redeem yourself in any subsequent iterations of the Socialist ObamaCare Initiative and oppose it in no uncertain terms and vote NO.

    Help oppose this administrations continued Socialist Agenda and help bring this Country to the tenets this country was founded on; small-limited government, self-reliance.

    I am a U.S. Born Citizen, USMC Veteran, VFW, I Vote, and I am far from alone in my view.

  10. #39
    Bohemian Wrote in one of the above articles
    "After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known. "

    Working for state farm and selling our homeowners policy, No where does it say in the policy booklet that you have to keep locks or anything like that on your guns. I can only speak for my State (TN) because it may be state specific but working for state farm and the people i have talked to that have been here have never ever mentioned it.

  11. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    Bohemian Wrote in one of the above articles
    "After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known. "

    Working for state farm and selling our homeowners policy, No where does it say in the policy booklet that you have to keep locks or anything like that on your guns. I can only speak for my State (TN) because it may be state specific but working for state farm and the people i have talked to that have been here have never ever mentioned it.
    5/02 State Farm, Prudential Don't Like Guns

    State Farm And Prudential Don't Like Guns
    by
    Larry Pratt

    Gary Atkinson, a South Carolina businessman and Del Bruno, a Connecticut cop, have had a common problem. When their insurance companies found out that they were involved with guns, they had their insurance coverage canceled.

    Del Bruno sought a homeowners policy for his new condo. Just after taking out his policy with Prudential, they wanted a list of his guns and their serial numbers upon learning that he owned firearms. For whatever reason, they decided that the Mossberg 500 was a no-no, and they cancelled his policy.

    Prudential was of the opinion that Bruno's shotgun was not a sporting weapon, the only kind they will insure.

    Gary Atkinson had been with State Farm for 34 years. He wanted to be sure his homeowners policy was up to date, especially -- as he told his agent's assistant -- since he has a pool and a shooting range on an adjacent property. "A shooting range?" (Forget the fact that pools are more dangerous. The magic word is GUN.)

    Atkinson got a call from his agent the next day telling him he had seven days to find a new policy. That State Farm was going to cancel him. Atkinson brought the agent to the adjacent property to see his range. It is actually rather professional, since Atkinson has heavy equipment, which his company makes. He used the equipment to make berms in front of hills that were already on the property.

    Gary got a million dollar liability policy through the NRA to cover the range and offered to sign a total waiver of responsibility for State Farm on any firearm related claims. All of this was to no avail.

    After some research, Atkinson learned that State Farm has canceled other people in other parts of the country. It seems they have -- for the agents -- a permissive policy. If the agent wants to cancel a gun owner, they can do so at their own discretion.

    Atkinson was told by his agent that no company would insure someone like him. That is when Atkinson found out about Lockton Risk Services in Kansas City, MO (phone: 913-676-9150). They referred him to three insurance companies -- Farm Bureau, Nationwide and American National Property and Casualty.

    Gary ended up switching all of his insurance to American National and saving money from what he had been paying State Farm.

    One of his last conversations with his State Farm agent involved his discovery that she had the discretion to cancel him, not the requirement to do so. When he told her that he would tell others what State Farm had done to him, she retorted: "What are you going to be able to do by yourself?"

    When Gary told me that, I decided that others should know about this anti-self-defense policy at State Farm (and, of course, at Prudential).

    Hopefully there is one more reason you may decide to cancel your State Farm Policy -- they are anti-customer in general.

    An investigative reporter for New Times found that State Farm has a national policy of underpaying claims. The policy even extends to dragging out lawsuits that any disappointed claimants might file against them in order to increase the cost of litigation to the point of forcing them to settle for less than the policy is worth.

    You can go to the web page of Grass Roots South Carolina (GrassRoots South Carolina - Our Goal: Citizens carrying arms whenever and wherever they choose.) and see the whole story with a very nice piece of artwork to represent Snake Farm Insurance Company.

    After you have canceled your Snake Farm insurance policy, you might want to let them know why. Mr. Edward Rust is the president of State Farm Fire and Casualty Company in Bloomington, IL. The phone there is 309-766-2311.

    And don't forget to let Prudential know why you have cancelled them if you have a policy with them. Their phone number at their Newark, NJ headquarters is: 1-800-562-8838.

    See the archives at Larry Pratt News Hour Radio to listen to my interview on Live Fire with Gary Atkinson.

    Addendum by Arizona Second Amendment attorney David Hardy:

    Figured you might want to know that in Arizona, [State Farm] is infamous for bad faith and underpayment.

    Just did a computer search for Arizona appellate cases with "insurance" and "bad faith." Of the most recent 50, 15 are State Farm. Runners up are Farmers, with 3 cases, and Ticor, with 2. You can see how they stand out.

    A few samples: Clearwater v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co., 792 P.2d 719, 164 Ariz. 256 (Ariz. 05/01/1990). Auto accident, insured had a $50,000 liability policy. The injured party offered to settle for that, State Farm refused (and didn't even tell their insured about it). Injured party sued and won $125,000 -- $75,000 of which would have come out of the insured's pocket. State Farm lost on a bad faith failure to settle claim.

    Deese v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co., 838 P.2d 1265, 172 Ariz. 504 (Ariz. 10/02/1992). Supreme Court upholds an award of punitive damages against State Farm for bad faith refusal to settle a claim for medical expenses.

    Bradshaw v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co., 758 P.2d 1313, 157 Ariz. 411 (Ariz. 05/18/1988). The insured ran a stop sign and was hit by a police car, which had lights and sirens on. The officer was seriously injured. State Farm paid off its insured's damages, took over their rights to sue, and caused a suit to be filed against the police officer.

    Its own claims committee had concluded that it had no case -- the fault was that of its insured, not the officer, and a company official had written that suing the officer might be a good "defensive" strategy. The officer counterclaimed for malicious prosecution, the jury awarded him two million dollars in punitive damages; the trial judge reduced that to one million. Arizona Supreme Court affirmed. It also noted that State Farm has annual revenues of $700 million and unassigned cash reserves of five billion. It concluded:

    There was evidence that State Farm acted intentionally, without subjective belief in the merits of the lawsuit it instituted, and that it was aware its action was unfounded and untenable. The evidence thus would support the ultimate inference that State Farm sought its own legitimate objective -- settlement for as little as possible -- by improper means, knowingly harassing and coercing the Bradshaws through filing an unjustified lawsuit. Thus, the jury could have concluded that State Farm knowingly acted improperly to serve its own interests and consciously disregarded a "substantial risk of significant harm to others".

    5/02 State Farm, Prudential Don't Like Guns

    Here's Your Sign...


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