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    Thanks for the post Bohemian. The good news is that I am insured by ANPAC. It is good to know I am covered.
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    Not in tn

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    Obama... I am happy to report that we received bipartisan support for Senator Baucus's Universal Health Care Bill...

    mmm... news flash ONE RINO as in Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) does not count as bipartisan support for a Tyrannical Socialist Agenda that the majority of the Country opposes...

    Remember come election time RINO Senator Olympia Snowe is already on our list of those in Congress to deliver pink slips to in the voting booth...
    She has rubber stamped every anti-second amendment Obama nominee this year as well as every stinking one of his Tyrannical Socialist spending initiatives this year...

    Fire Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME)


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    Anti-gun ObamaCare Now Moves to the Senate Floor

    Anti-gun ObamaCare Now Moves to the Senate Floor
    -- But Obama does not yet have the 60 votes he needs

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
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    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
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    Thursday, October 15, 2009

    Well, there's good news and bad news.

    If you've been listening to the media, you know the bad news. Senators voted the Baucus version of the ObamaCare bill out the Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday, and the legislation now moves to the Senate floor.

    So what's the good news? President Obama still doesn't have the 60 votes he needs to overcome a filibuster of his nationalized health care bill.

    In brief, the Baucus bill which passed out of committee will hurt you in several ways:

    * You will have less money for buying firearms and ammunition. Hopefully, you have $25,900 that you don't know what to do with -- every year. Because that's how much the Baucus bill is going to cost an average family of four to pay for a government-mandated ObamaCare policy every year.

    That's right ... $25,900 every year! That will be your cost, according to a Price Waterhouse study of the Baucus legislation. You will be required to purchase this ObamaCare policy and pay this amount under penalty of law under Baucus' bill. (Go to http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_pwc2.html to read the Price Waterhouse study.)

    * Anti-gun medical database that can be used to deny your right to purchase firearms. As GOA has warned for several months, the ObamaCare legislation will pump your medical information into the medical database that was created under the stimulus bill earlier this year.

    The federal government has already used medical diagnoses (such as PTSD) to deny more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns -- without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. So don't be surprised if socialized ObamaCare results in your medical information being used to infringe upon your Second Amendment rights.

    * Discrimination against gun owners. ObamaCare legislation in Congress will very likely empower anti-gun bureaucrats to deny medical reimbursements to individuals who engage in supposedly "dangerous" activities, like hunting or keeping loaded weapons for self-defense. As GOA pointed out in an earlier alert, this type of discrimination against gun owners has already occurred in the homeowner insurance industry. (See documented examples of this at 5/02 State Farm, Prudential Don't Like Guns on the GOA website.)

    Bottom line: Don't be surprised if an Obama-prescribed policy precludes reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

    Sleazy politics: it's worse than watching sausage-making

    In order to get a somewhat positive financial analysis from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) kept the details of his health care rationing scheme secret. He did this by providing the CBO an outline of the legislation, rather than providing real legislative language.

    In fact, at the hour that the Senate Finance Committee was being forced to vote on the Baucus bill, the legislative language was still not available! So the Senate Finance Committee voted on a bill that will take over one-sixth of the American economy without even seeing specific legislative language.

    Otto von Bismarck, the first Chancellor of the German Empire, used to say that, "Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made."

    That's still true today. In order to get this sleazy effort to the Senate floor without anyone knowing what is in the legislative language, the Senate leadership has developed a really contemptible scheme:

    * They will take a totally unrelated piece of legislation -- perhaps a bill that deals with AIG bonus legislation -- and then amend it with a thousand-page health bill that no one, to this date, has been able to read.

    * The Republicans will filibuster this attempt to vote on "secret legislation" -- requiring the Democrats to muster 60 votes. If Democrats are successful in doing so, many of them will be free to vote against the health care bill on final passage, since only 51 votes will be needed for the final passage vote. These switch-hitting Democrats would then be free to tell their constituents that they "opposed" the anti-gun socialized medicine bill because they voted against it on "final passage" -- a nearly irrelevant vote that only requires the assent of 51 senators.

    But make no mistake: The REALLY IMPORTANT VOTE is the one that requires 60 votes. That's the vote to end the filibuster (or "invoke cloture") on the motion to proceed to the secret bill.

    At this point, it is not clear that Obama has the 60 votes necessary to overcome a filibuster. Already, one Democrat, Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, has announced he is opposed to the Baucus plan.

    And Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa indicated recently that there may be one more Democrat who is leaning against the bill.

    That's why it's IMPERATIVE that you contact both of your senators. Don't think: "Oh, my Senator is a Democrat and he's going to support the President." We can't afford to think that way. All we need to do is pick off one more Democrat Senator and this bill is dead!

    At the same time, we need to make sure all the Republicans vote against this anti-gun monstrosity. Even with liberal Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine defecting, it is still possible to win the war over this legislation.

    ACTION: Contact your two U.S. Senators. Let them know of your disgust for the Baucus bill, and urge them to vote against cloture on the motion to proceed to a "secret" composite bill crafted behind closed doors.

    You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Senator:

    This may come as a surprise to you. But most Americans can't afford $25,900 a year to pay for health insurance under the sleazy bill passed out of the Senate Finance Committee.

    According to a Price Waterhouse study, by 2019, the cost of the average family's government-mandated Obama-drafted health insurance policy -- which I would be required to purchase under penalty of law -- would be $25,900 A YEAR. This is a much bigger increase in premiums than if Congress did nothing.

    Furthermore, the Congressional Budget Office agrees that premiums would climb faster under the Baucus bill than if Congress did nothing.

    Incidentally, please do not try to tell me that the "fines" for not purchasing an ObamaPolicy have been reduced and that I can't be sent to prison. This is largely a lie.

    An ordinary family would pay $1,500 in fines when the bill fully kicks in. And, while an amendment added by Senator Charles Schumer says you can't be sent to prison if you can't afford the policy, it does NOT say you can't be sent to prison if you can't afford the fine.

    The next step will be a motion to proceed to a bill which would implement a government takeover of a sixth of the American economy -- and put the government in charge of making decisions over whether my family and me live or die.

    That motion to proceed will be made at a point when there is no CBO score based on legislation -- and possibly no legislative language at all.

    I would urge you, in the strongest terms, to vote against that motion to proceed -- particularly if there is not a final CBO score BASED ON LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE.

    Please do not vote wrong on this crucial cloture vote -- and then expect that you can trick me by voting "no" on a meaningless final passage vote which only requires 50 senators.

    Sincerely,
    yournamehere

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    Not in tn
    Well then I guess it is a good thing that I don't live in TN.
    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. - Ronald Reagan

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    "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by MADnMO View Post
    Well then I guess it is a good thing that I don't live in TN.
    What i'm saying is that State Farm in TN has no silly rule.

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    Gun Owners Win the Opening Battle on ObamaCare!

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    Friday, October 23, 2009

    Congratulations!

    You have stymied the shady tactics used by Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi to try to pass the ObamaCare bill and -- in the opening salvo of the battle -- you blew them out of the water.

    Gun Owners won a huge vote Wednesday in the Senate.

    As you remember, the ObamaCare bill would dump your gun-related health data into a federal database. It would also put your (government mandated) insurance at risk if you keep a loaded gun for self-defense.

    But there was a problem: The anti-gun health bills cost too much, and Obama had promised to pass a bill which would not raise the deficit by "one penny."

    So what Obama, Reid, and Pelosi did was to try to pass a separate bill (S. 1776) which would fund the anti-gun ObamaCare bill by raising the deficit another $247 billion dollars.

    But, they would argue, because S. 1776 was a "separate bill," the ObamaCare bill itself would not raise the deficit.

    In a Senate not known for morality, this rose to a level of sleaze and corruption that embarrassed many Democrats, in addition to all Republicans.

    With gun owners responding vigorously to our alerts on this issue, the motion to invoke "cloture" (or shut off debate) on the bill failed by a 47-53 vote -- 13 votes short of the 60 votes the anti-gun socialists needed.

    The victory on S. 1776 means that it will be much harder for Obama, Reid and Pelosi to pick up the somewhat fiscally-minded Blue Dog Democrats they so desperately need to get their anti-gun ObamaCare legislation passed.

    So congratulations! It is true that this is only the first battle... but, if we continue battering Congress as we have, it will be the first of many victories.

    To see the official listing of how each Senator voted, you can go to U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote.

    But in the meantime, pat yourself on the back for a job well done... and have a great weekend!

    It should be noted that once again Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid VOTED ANTI-SECOND AMENDMENT, this time on S.1776...

    Dump Reid - Change we REALLY can believe in!

    REJECT REID 2010



    NoBamaCare!

    NoBama!

    Fire Congress 2010!



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    ObamaCare - Anti-Gun Public Option Back In - Stop Harry Reid

    The shady tactics used by Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi and New York Senator Charles Schumer to try to pass the ObamaCare bill continue...

    Legendary Gun Banner New York Senator Chucky Schumer made a back room deal with Nevada Senator Prince Harry Reid to get the Public Option of ObamaCare back into the Senate Bill...

    As you remember, the ObamaCare bill will dump your firearm-related health data into a federal database. It will also put your government mandated insurance at risk if you keep a loaded firearm for self-defense.

    Ensign takes issue with Reid's public plan option for health care - The Political Eye - ReviewJournal.com

    Senate Bill Will Include 'Public Option' Opt Out - Political News - FOXNews.com

    Dump Reid - Change we REALLY can believe in!

    REJECT REID 2010

    Contact U.S. Senators:
    U.S. Senate: Senators Home

    You should also phone the United States Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121. A switchboard operator will connect you directly with the Senate office you request.



    "Most of the tyrants, despots, and dictators are sincerely convinced that their rule is beneficial for the people, that theirs is government for the people." - Ludwig von Mises

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