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    Two approaches to consider

    There are two approaches to consider:

    1. State Law. Some states specifically address the issue while others are silent. If your state's law regarding firearms at church is specific, you have no choice but to follow the law. In many states however, firearms in church is a topic on which state law is silent -- essentially leaving it up to the property owner. If your state's law is silent, then you can typically carry UNLESS the church has put out the word in its church bulletins, newsletter, has a sign on the front door and/or has made an announcement from the pulpit.

    2. Discretion. Although I practice both open and concealed carry, I believe that discretion and common sense dictates concealed carry at church. Use common sense. If and when the time ever comes that you need to display your firearm because some nut job has arrived and is ready to conduct a mass killing, then you'll need to render your firearm out in the open as a life-saving tool. But until then I believe discretion requires concealment.

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  3. I CC at my church in GA all the time. It's currently illegal, but like someone mentioned earlier, because of what happened in that CO. church I now carry. My Exec Pastor knows and says he has no problem with it and hopes that more of us carry. A pastor in Thomaston, along with GaCarry.org, is sueing the state over this very issue. In the current law, as of the passage of SB 308, a permit carrier must advise church "supervision or management personnel" that he's carrying a weapon and must "explicitly follow sup's direction for the removing or storing or securing of said weapon." That's a bonafide gray area right there and I showed it to my Exec Pastor. He looked at it and said, "Secure it in your holster on your hip or in your pocket and leave it there unless you need it use it." I said, "I'll be glad to......"
    This case is currently in work and we in GA are anxiously awaiting the outcome.

  4. Church CC

    Pastors sometimes need to be reminded that they are often the primary target of ill intent. Having a member or two carry may save their lives and those of their congregation.

  5. #74
    In Texas the law was changed last year on cc in churches. It is legal to carry in church unless the church properly posts otherwise. When the law changed, our church, by unanimous vote of the members, removed the prohibition of firearms on chuch property from the bylaws. Anyone with a concealed handgun license is free to carry at any of our services. I carry, as does our pastor, his sil and several other other members.

    Armed members are scattered throughout the congregation and others patrol the parking lots during services as we are on the fringe of a bad area and have had cars broken into & property stolen during worship services in the past, but not since we started the patrols.

  6. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by jreXD9 View Post
    He looked at it and said, "Secure it in your holster on your hip or in your pocket and leave it there unless you need it use it." I said, "I'll be glad to......"
    Just to CYA.. It would be best if you had that in writing, in case things do not turn out as well as you expect in a situation..

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    Not being flippant but I'd sooner be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I would sooner stand in front of God telling him I was doing everything I could to stop the Evil, then tell him I was on my knees being executed. Evil prevails when good people do nothing. Choices, we all have choices. Not saying mine are any better then anyone else's. Just saying it the way (I) see it.
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  8. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Regular_Joe View Post
    VA law states that state citizens can't carry into a "place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held" unless the person has a "good and sufficient reason".

    My church meets in a public school, so carrying is not a legal option. We are planning to move into a permanent location in the future so I am sure many folks will find that a "good and sufficient reason" is the safety of self and family.

    However, our senior pastor - who often sets church culture - does not have a background that involves firearms nor is he comfortable even talking about the issue. I know folks will CC, but the attitude will remain negative towards the use of firearms for self defense.

    For those that have been through this or that live in places where the church leadership is more 2A supportive, any suggestions on how this church culture can be influenced to be 2A-friendly?
    I have always thought it would be fun to organize a Range / Fellowship Event. I would like to think that it would help to remove fear or suspicion of firearms in those who were ignorant, as well as a chance to demonstrate the fact that you are competent with a firearm tho those who would be a fraid of having one in the facilities.

    Our church recently had a bikers and bibles event, so I can't imagine how guns could be any more taboo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildave31 View Post
    I have always thought it would be fun to organize a Range / Fellowship Event. I would like to think that it would help to remove fear or suspicion of firearms in those who were ignorant, as well as a chance to demonstrate the fact that you are competent with a firearm tho those who would be a fraid of having one in the facilities.
    I recently did this, just for the purpose you stated. I invited about 10 guys out to a local outdoor range. I asked everyone to bring some food - one guy brought hotdogs, another a grill - we shared ammo, guns and lunch. I did this a couple of times and another local church asked me to host a range event for their men's group!

    I ensure the range was organized, gave the safety briefing, made sure that everyone knew the safety rules - we had a great time.

    This has brought out the members in the church that are interested in regularly getting together for a range day, and are the same guys that can start helping me to plan and hold shooting activities.

  10. #79
    In SC Churches make money by having Turkey Shoots. My girlfriend got her CWP because the Church her sisters husband Preaches at was getting up a class to get their CWP's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCW Instructor View Post
    There are two approaches to consider:

    1. State Law. Some states specifically address the issue while others are silent. If your state's law regarding firearms at church is specific, you have no choice but to follow the law. In many states however, firearms in church is a topic on which state law is silent -- essentially leaving it up to the property owner. If your state's law is silent, then you can typically carry UNLESS the church has put out the word in its church bulletins, newsletter, has a sign on the front door and/or has made an announcement from the pulpit.

    2. Discretion. Although I practice both open and concealed carry, I believe that discretion and common sense dictates concealed carry at church. Use common sense. If and when the time ever comes that you need to display your firearm because some nut job has arrived and is ready to conduct a mass killing, then you'll need to render your firearm out in the open as a life-saving tool. But until then I believe discretion requires concealment.

    You are 100% wrong in that statement..... I always have a choice, everyone else does too....

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