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    dbl post, thank you Internet slowness during lunch time here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Liberal View Post
    They didn't even have an ICBM and you are telling me they had advanced chemical weapons?
    And the means to deliver them, including a prototype rail gun. The preponderance of a poor peasant population (living in the effing desert) is one of the big factors which allowed Saddam to do what he did. Absolute dictatorship is hard to enforce over people living with more modern accomodations including communications enabling them to organize and know things outside the next watering hole for the goat herd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    And the means to deliver them, including a prototype rail gun. The preponerance of a poor peasant population (living in the effing desert) is one of the big factors which allowed Saddam to do what he did. Absolute dictatorship is hard to enforce over people living with more modern accomodations including communications enabling them them to organize and know things outside the next watering hole for the goat herd.
    ?? A prototype rail gun? Please, they were light years away from ICBM (intercontinental ballastic missiles) technology.

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    I don't know how you measure light years. Or where you get your information. But if it suits your argument I suppose it's as good as any other say, THOSE USED BY YOUR EVAGELICAL CONSERVATIVE OPPONENTS HERE?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Liberal View Post
    ********. No nuclear weapons were found. period. Stop beating around the bush. All you have are these tangents to rely on because the reason for invading Iraq was fabricated. The United States buries chemical weapons in the Atlantic Ocean, thats a fact. This liberal media **** is not true either, if they found nuclear weapons, believe me it would be on the front page of the NY times regardless of party affiliation. Missiles and aircraft are not WMDS. No warheads were found, the pitiful cache of scuds from the Gulf war and mustard gas hardly qualify as WMD's.
    OK no nukes but rockets and Chemicals that when loaded and launched could kill everybody in a city the size of Detroit, which is about the same devastation yield as a tactical nuke, and you do not call that a WMD!!!!! Big shocker neither did the liberal press and every one here knows they are a bunch of .........

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Liberal View Post
    Advanced bio-chem programs? These are people who live in the ******* desert. They didn't even have an ICBM and you are telling me they had advanced chemical weapons? They couldn't even field an army.
    So either you are too young to or flat out do not remember when he used these same weapons on his own people to test them out!!! As to field an army he may have been unable to stop the US but he had the rest of the middle east shaking in their boots..... Finally yes rail gun, heck they are easy to build my son built one as a college physics porject.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    OK no nukes but rockets and Chemicals that when loaded and launched could kill everybody in a city the size of Detroit, which is about the same devastation yield as a tactical nuke, and you do not call that a WMD!!!!! Big shocker neither did the liberal press and every one here knows they are a bunch of .........
    Launched out of what? The back of a truck? They have no ICBMs.

    I don't call it a WMD!!! I call it a bunch of old weapons from the 1990's that have no delivery device.

    And yeah, testing them out on people in your own country is a far stretch from sending them over the Atlantic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    OK no nukes but rockets and Chemicals that when loaded and launched could kill everybody in a city the size of Detroit, which is about the same devastation yield as a tactical nuke, and you do not call that a WMD!!!!! Big shocker neither did the liberal press and every one here knows they are a bunch of .........



    So either you are too young to or flat out do not remember when he used these same weapons on his own people to test them out!!! As to field an army he may have been unable to stop the US but he had the rest of the middle east shaking in their boots..... Finally yes rail gun, heck they are easy to build my son built one as a college physics porject.....
    Yeah, I'm sure Israel was scared to death. Still no ICBM's.

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    They simply moved what material they had over the border. We kept waiting for the UN to give us the all clear signal to go in and look. Sure, it will all be right there where you can find it once we get the paperwork all set...

    Oh wait, you're the same guy who wants us all to keep our firearms locked up at home in case we need to defend ourselves from an assault that will never happen according to the statistics you presented... Uh, No...

    They had weapons and they also had the assistance of sympathetic neighboring countries who have an anti-American agenda.. We had to play by the rules of the UN... I'm still not sure who's side the UN is on...

    I'm sure the delivery device was to be a bit simpler. Perhaps a rented vehicle filled with propane tanks or some other way to disperse the agent. Hard to imagine that could happen huh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Liberal View Post
    Launched out of what? The back of a truck? They have no ICBMs.

    I don't call it a WMD!!! I call it a bunch of old weapons from the 1990's that have no delivery device.
    So you do not think a weapon capable of reaching out several hundred miles and killing upward of 100,000 people in one blip with it's payload a WMD? Damn just what is then????

    SCUD with delivery systems...

    NATO codename Scud-A Scud-B Scud-C Scud-D
    U.S. DIA SS-1b SS-1c SS-1d SS-1e
    Official designation R-11 R-17/R-300
    Deployment Date 1957 1964 1965? 1989?
    Length 10.7 m 11.25 m 11.25 m 12.29 m
    Width 0.88 m 0.88 m 0.88 m 0.88 m
    Launch weight 4,400 kg 5,900 kg 6,400 kg 6,500 kg
    Range 180 km 300 km 550 km 300 km
    Payload 950 kg 985 kg 600 kg 985 kg
    Accuracy (CEP) 3000 m 450 m 700 m 50 m

    Not just Isarel but the middle east as a whole feard the man... N yes they found a heap of these.... Oh n many of the Russian ICBM's are truck launched, GO READ THE HISTORY BOOKS.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Liberal View Post
    ...no delivery device.
    A human delivering an IED killed 61 Iraquis in Baghdad yesterday.

    They're called suicide bombers. A gang of them flew airliners into buildings awhile back, maybe you are too young to remember. That is mass destruction using an aircraft as a weapon. I won't quibble about the acronyms, suffice it to say, the world is a safer place today as a result of the wars we are still fighting in the Middle East.

    Yes they are expensive and troubling. As you clearly demonstrate, many are unwilling to do difficult things. Hindsight is 20/20. What more cliches can I throw in for effect.

    I'm curious to know just what they are teaching in history classes these days. Seems disturbing.

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