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    Politics

    Thanks for the post Red Hat, this is very disturbing but politics at it's best (worst). We need to start the ball rolling to get this changed.

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    What does this mean

    This is from earlier today

    H. 3212--NONCONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
    The Senate Amendments to the following Bill were taken up for consideration:

    H. 3212 (Word version) -- Reps. Delleney, M. A. Pitts, Haley, Crawford, Chellis, G. R. Smith, Owens, Rice, Weeks, Viers, Simrill, Bedingfield, Vick, Duncan, Mulvaney, Stavrinakis, Clemmons and Young: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 23-31-215, AS AMENDED, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, RELATING TO THE ISSUANCE OF CONCEALABLE WEAPONS PERMITS, SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT VALID OUT-OF-STATE PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALABLE WEAPONS HELD BY A RESIDENT OF ANOTHER STATE MUST BE HONORED BY THIS STATE AND TO DELETE THE PROVISION THAT THIS STATE WILL ONLY HONOR OUT-OF-STATE PERMITS ISSUED BY A STATE WITH WHICH SOUTH CAROLINA HAS RECIPROCITY.

    Rep. DELLENEY explained the Senate Amendments.

    The House refused to agree to the Senate Amendments and a message was ordered sent accordingly.



    I just checked the legislature website and found this, does this mean the bill is dead or will the house make another amendment and send it back to the senate? Does anyone know what they are doing?
    I live in Florida now but own property in SC, I know I can get a SC CWP but I don't see any reason to reward SC with the permit fee for their arrogance, I already pay them property taxes on what I own and SC would only expand my legal states by 1. I really feel bad for you folks up there, SLED seems to have a strangle hold on you and you can' break free of them.

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    We will have to wait and see when they pick it back up. The last version of the bill is here. http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_..._20080320a.htm Basically the Senate just wants to take the determination from SLED and keep everything else as it was. I bet the Senate will set on it for a while. We need to contact the Senators and tell them to pass the bill just as the House has it written.
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    New Wording

    Yep, I think we should contact our representatives and support getting this passed. Thanks for the info. It looks like some or the reps didn't like the bill and are trying to get it worded like it was in the first place. It will probably stay in politic hell for a while.

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    Responsibility

    My mistake, after reading your link above it does look like they are just trying to take the responsibility from SLED for issuing permits. I think that is a step in the right direction but who would the responsibility fall to?

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    It doesn't say. The problem is they are wanting to still require background checks and like training in order to be recognized. The purpose of the original bill was to accept all states permits. Even though I like the idea of requiring training because some people have no idea of the do's and the do not's in CC, it seems that those states don't have any more problems with people breaking the law than states with training.
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    Red Hat, you make an interesting point that just like you I am in favor of training I can't say how much good it does in combating the law breaking or shootings. Stats are pretty much meaningless in trying to determine actual results because they can be used to justify anything you want.

    On the stories put out about the failure of H 3212 there is a group that seems to be putting out misleading information.

    The version that the House passed was a full recognition bill that said that SC would recognize all permits but had no provision for reciprocity. This meant that SC would recogize permits from any state but there was no incentive for any other state to recognize SC permits other that goodwill.

    The first Senate version had several very restrictive clauses and could have led to all sorts of problems. This was recognized by the NRA, SC Grassroots, SLED and immediately brought to the attention of the Senate. Several news releases were put out that day calling for the Senate to go against the bill because it could have been worse than what we have now.

    The next day the Senate revised the bill to the form that was passed. The Senate and SLED confered that the following list of states would be covered in the version that passed the Senate and returned to the House:

    States that currently recognize South Carolina’s concealed weapons permit include: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia and Wyoming.

    The bill passed today would expand the states recognizing South Carolina’s concealed weapons permit to include: Colorado, Florida, Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska and Nevada.

    South Carolina currently recognizes the concealed weapons permits of the following states: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Tennessee and Wyoming.

    The Senate action will expand that list to include: Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming. A reciprocity agreement with West Virginia is pending.
    TheTandD.com | S.C. Senate OKs expanding state recognized weapons permits
    As you see the big concern is GA is missing.

    The key points of the Senate version was provided, that the reciprocal state requires an applicant to successfully pass a criminal background check and a course in firearm training and safety. It simply says pass a backgorund check and a course on handgun safety and training. Where all of the other hoopla is coming from I don't know other than from the previous version.

    Since teh House rejected the Senate version it will probably go to a joint House-Senate conference committee to see if they can work something out. Otherwise we are stuck with getting a NH permit to add GA or a Non-resident FL permit for FL.

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