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  1. Quote Originally Posted by RPinSC View Post
    For those of you who have taken the class required for the CWP, what does the range test entail? ie how many shots, distances etc.

    Thanks in advance for any info.
    You can probably close your eyes each time before you shoot and still easily pass. Passing a CWP range test says absolutely nothing about your marksmanship. That being said, I do not believe training should be mandated by the state at all.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by izaclown View Post
    Our instructor counted the number of holes out side the target and subtracted from 50. He did not count all of the holes. :)
    I think that's what most do. You could make a decent sized hole in the center with your first 25 at close range and then deliberately missed the target completely with your last 25 and he would have been none the wiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPinSC View Post
    For those of you who have taken the class required for the CWP, what does the range test entail? ie how many shots, distances etc.

    Thanks in advance for any info.
    The answer is, "it depends". The law just says that you have to demonstrate proficiency. It is up to the instructor's discretion as to what that actually means.
    Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I think South Carolina should do away with the live fire requirement in the training course. Let the instructor decide if they want to substitute some other method such as airgun shooting, dryfire exercises, blank fire training, beamhit or other laser simulated training, or airsoft training.
    Good to hear from my cigar friend G50AE. I agree with his comment for one main reason---you can "qualify" at the target shooting part of the permit training with ANY firearm, which may not even be your CC firearm of choice. I, quite frankly, qualified with a 22. Not knowing what the target shoot would really be about, I figured I would take my 22 instead of a 38 revolver because I sure knew that the 22 would be a very easy qualifying firearm. Even if I took my 38, I currently CC a totally different firearm. If there is one thing that I felt was the real reason for the target shooting part of this it was the degree to which the instructor watches over you and critiques your handling of the firearm during a "live fire" scenario. The use of airsoft or alternative can also be used to perform that function. The only problem with this reply would be the fact that all those applying would have to purchase an airsoft or equivalent or the instructor would have to have a supply of them that he would have to purchase. There really is no perfect answer and if I had to bet, the target shoot part of the CCWP process will not change, even if it is not perfect.

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    The easy answer is to remove the requirement to "qualify" to exercise a basic, inalienable right. Lot's of states allow the carry of a firearm with no training, permit or nannying and it works for them. Let's get SC with the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    You can probably close your eyes each time before you shoot and still easily pass. Passing a CWP range test says absolutely nothing about your marksmanship. That being said, I do not believe training should be mandated by the state at all.
    when i took mine back in '11, there was a woman that failed w/ a .38 revolver.

    i went 50/50 on mine, but if i was smarter i would have shot my hi-power 9mm instead of my compact .45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Canuck View Post
    The easy answer is to remove the requirement to "qualify" to exercise a basic, inalienable right. Lot's of states allow the carry of a firearm with no training, permit or nannying and it works for them. Let's get SC with the program.
    I am all for 2A but my answer to the above quote is as follows: You say that lots of states do not require any training or nannying etal and "IT WORKS FOR THEM". If you happen to be that person that it DOES NOT WORK FOR and you are injured because of total stupidity and lack of knowledge about firearm practices with a loaded discharging firearm---what then? If you need to take a driving test to obtain a license to be on the road in a car, is it really that ridiculous to expect you to show some degree of competency for a permit to conceal carry a firearm?
    I was at a range recently where a couple were having a problem with a semi 380 and came over to me for help. The problem? The cartridges were in the mag backwards. You want people like this to purchase a firearm and not at least have someone watch them discharge a loaded firearm before they can walk around CC? Maybe in the wilds of say Montana, where you learned about firearms from your dad--it works for them, but in more urbanized areas or states where their first firearm is the one they just purchased and are now CC--you dismiss some demonstration of ability or knowledge with a loaded discharging firearm?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Canuck View Post
    The easy answer is to remove the requirement to "qualify" to exercise a basic, inalienable right. Lot's of states allow the carry of a firearm with no training, permit or nannying and it works for them. Let's get SC with the program.
    I am all for 2A but my answer to the above quote is as follows: You say that lots of states do not require any training or nannying etal and "IT WORKS FOR THEM". If you happen to be that person that it DOES NOT WORK FOR and you are injured because of total stupidity and lack of knowledge about firearm practices with a loaded discharging firearm---what then? If you need to take a driving test to obtain a license to be on the road in a car, is it really that ridiculous to expect you to show some degree of competency for a permit to conceal carry a firearm?
    I was at a range recently where a couple were having a problem with a semi 380 and came over to me for help. The problem? The cartridges were in the mag backwards. You want people like this to purchase a firearm and not at least have someone watch them discharge a loaded firearm before they can walk around CC? Maybe in the wilds of say Montana, where you learned about firearms from your dad--it works for them, but in more urbanized areas or states where their first firearm is the one they just purchased and are now CC--you dismiss some demonstration of ability or knowledge with a loaded discharging firearm?
    If there was an amendment in the Constitution that said "the right of the people to own and drive cars shall not be infringed", them yes I would find licensing drivers ridiculous. Yes there are safety concerns, but that's why rather than REQUIRING people to get training, make it an everyday part of society to educate children and adults about the proper use of firearms. When you give the states the ability to require permitting, you allow them to be able to pick and choose who has the ability to take advantage of their 2nd amendment right. What if you had a single, underclass mom or dad who works 2 jobs and between those jobs he worked 7 days a week. They do not have the time nor the money to take a day off and spend $50 plus the cost of the class to go through that process. The state is then denying them of their right to bear arms based on their current situation. How do you justify that?

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    You shouldn't have any problems. I've gotten everybody through; even if they had never shot a firearm before the class.

    You get to shoot 50 practice rounds that take you through all the distance & time requirements before you have to qualify. (This is where your coach or instructor can help you further if you need it.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    I am all for 2A but my answer to the above quote is as follows: You say that lots of states do not require any training or nannying etal and "IT WORKS FOR THEM". If you happen to be that person that it DOES NOT WORK FOR and you are injured because of total stupidity and lack of knowledge about firearm practices with a loaded discharging firearm---what then? If you need to take a driving test to obtain a license to be on the road in a car, is it really that ridiculous to expect you to show some degree of competency for a permit to conceal carry a firearm?
    I was at a range recently where a couple were having a problem with a semi 380 and came over to me for help. The problem? The cartridges were in the mag backwards. You want people like this to purchase a firearm and not at least have someone watch them discharge a loaded firearm before they can walk around CC? Maybe in the wilds of say Montana, where you learned about firearms from your dad--it works for them, but in more urbanized areas or states where their first firearm is the one they just purchased and are now CC--you dismiss some demonstration of ability or knowledge with a loaded discharging firearm?
    You're entire memo is predicated on the notion that the silly course required for anyone in SC to excercise a fundamental, inalienable right actually does provide value to the public safety. I contest that it does not.

    No one else has dared answer these two questions, so maybe you can help. In Virginia (and many other states) a person may enter a gun store, buy a gun, bullets, and a holster, walk out that day, load it, strap it on and walk around openly carrying it without government training, permission or intervention.

    Compared to Virginia, South Carolina is Montana.

    Virginia Population - 8.1M
    Fairfax County - 1.1M
    Virginia Beach County - 437K
    Prince William County- 402K

    South Carolina Population - 4.7M
    Greenville County - 451K
    Richland County - 384K
    Charleston County - 350K

    The questions are these:

    1. Who trains the people how to use a gun, in parts of the country where the government doesn't do it for them? (Keep in mind that we aren't always talking about remote areas of unpopulated America, but of areas with equal or greater population density)
    2. What is the correlation between states where training is required by the state, and ones that don't with regard to negligent discharge? (I pick NDs because that seems to be what you are concerned with, but feel free to select any other relevant factor)


    Above edited to add a quotation from the person to whom the questions were directed. I realized I just replied without quoting. My apologies for the late edit.

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