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    Interesting how folks don't mind giving their advice on this law...Bet if someone follows it and gets's busted, the giver of the advice will not be able to be found to assist with the legal bills for the "Bad Advice" they provided!

    I live in SC and retired LEO and should be covered by HR-218. However, I will never test this law as I do not need the hassle of defending myself and the legal expense.

    If someone feels the need to test this law let us know how it works out for you...You may prove your point but may piss away thousand or dollars to do so...

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    I have decided that if I do not want to disarm myself to go into a restaurant selling alcohol that I chose a restaurant that does not sell alcohol. I realize that this limits my choices but that is the key. It is MY choice where I spend my money. When I chose not to eat at those establishments the interpretation of the law is a moot point. Not only that, but I certainly do not want to be a test case or lose my CWP because of an incident. It is not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefpropellerhead View Post
    I have decided that if I do not want to disarm myself to go into a restaurant selling alcohol that I chose a restaurant that does not sell alcohol. I realize that this limits my choices but that is the key. It is MY choice where I spend my money. When I chose not to eat at those establishments the interpretation of the law is a moot point. Not only that, but I certainly do not want to be a test case or lose my CWP because of an incident. It is not worth it.
    Sounds like you are a wise man!

  5. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by NCIC105 View Post
    Interesting how folks don't mind giving their advice on this law...Bet if someone follows it and gets's busted, the giver of the advice will not be able to be found to assist with the legal bills for the "Bad Advice" they provided!

    I live in SC and retired LEO and should be covered by HR-218. However, I will never test this law as I do not need the hassle of defending myself and the legal expense.

    If someone feels the need to test this law let us know how it works out for you...You may prove your point but may piss away thousand or dollars to do so...
    I doubt that a thousand dollars will cover it unless you just want to plead guilty and pay the fine. Even then the additional costs down the road due to your record will probably cost a lot more later.

    I have stated that I am willing to donate $50 toward the legal expenses when it reaches the Supreme Court. Now if we can get about 99 more to get it up to $5,000 that may cover the attorneys initial retainer fee. The last attorney I hired required a $10,000 retainer fee and that was used before we ever made it to a preliminary hearing.

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    Just a quick comment here. "Carrying" in the restaurant is not the whole issue. Yes bad things can happen in the restaurant but what could be more problematic is the walk back to your car in the parking lot.

    I hope all will be clarified and solved in the new year.

  7. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by SCfromNY View Post
    Just a quick comment here. "Carrying" in the restaurant is not the whole issue. Yes bad things can happen in the restaurant but what could be more problematic is the walk back to your car in the parking lot.

    I hope all will be clarified and solved in the new year.


    Mr. Nail, meet Mr. Hammer. Whether it is a restaurant, mall, Wal-Mart or any other business etc. I am much more concerned about the parking lot than I am about being inside the business in most cases. This is something I see all the time in people discussing carrying. We get focused on the little things or very rare occurrence and forget about the real problems. How may Ludy's incidents are there compared to people being robbed or killed in the parking lots of restaurants.

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    I am not going to argue the meaning of the 2nd amendment. I don't think there is any reason to interpret its meaning. To understand the law about firearms and alcohol is somewhat common sense. Now before anyone jumps up and down screaming that they have the right to carry anywhere I will say. "I agree." The problem lies in the judgement breakdown of any person after consuming alcohol. How many fights have erupted from being drunk, 10 feet tall and bullet proof? How many accidents have happened from alcohol consumption? How many people have been shot due to alcohol's effect on the common sense part of the brain. I really don't think the law is there to violate yours or anyone else right to carry. It is proven over and over, just by reading about events on this site, how stupid people can be without alcohol. Toss in someone having a "few" and see how much more stupidity erupts. I hate to say it, but sometimes man has to be protected from himself. I am not saying that you or anyone else reading this will be at a bar, drinking and decide to pull out a gun and be stupid, but you well know as do I, that someone, somewhere will. One reason being caught under the influence of alcohol while carrying a weapon will probably result in the temporary loss, if not permanent loss of your CCW permit. In Okla, you can be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as that is not the primary reason for business. I.E. a restaurant or other establishment that serves alcohol but primary business is eating. Violate this "no weapon" policy if you like, just remember one thing, when you violate the law of your CCW license you give the anti CCW crowd more ammo. I may not agree with some of the conditions of the CCW, but I do understand some of the reasons. OK, blast away at me!
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    If a person is prone to violate the law, A law will not prevent them from doing it.

    I have not had a beer in 10 years....Why can't I carry my weapon into Applebees?

    For all that say you can have issues going to your car unarmed..Obvious!

  10. #59
    Just my .02 because most have said already but ... Why take the risk? I understand points from both sides of the issue, but shouldn't CWP holders be some of your most fervent law abiding citizens? I mean we are the ones under the microscope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50SR9 View Post
    I am not going to argue the meaning of the 2nd amendment. I don't think there is any reason to interpret its meaning. To understand the law about firearms and alcohol is somewhat common sense. Now before anyone jumps up and down screaming that they have the right to carry anywhere I will say. "I agree." The problem lies in the judgement breakdown of any person after consuming alcohol. How many fights have erupted from being drunk, 10 feet tall and bullet proof? How many accidents have happened from alcohol consumption? How many people have been shot due to alcohol's effect on the common sense part of the brain. I really don't think the law is there to violate yours or anyone else right to carry. It is proven over and over, just by reading about events on this site, how stupid people can be without alcohol. Toss in someone having a "few" and see how much more stupidity erupts. I hate to say it, but sometimes man has to be protected from himself. I am not saying that you or anyone else reading this will be at a bar, drinking and decide to pull out a gun and be stupid, but you well know as do I, that someone, somewhere will. One reason being caught under the influence of alcohol while carrying a weapon will probably result in the temporary loss, if not permanent loss of your CCW permit. In Okla, you can be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as that is not the primary reason for business. I.E. a restaurant or other establishment that serves alcohol but primary business is eating. Violate this "no weapon" policy if you like, just remember one thing, when you violate the law of your CCW license you give the anti CCW crowd more ammo. I may not agree with some of the conditions of the CCW, but I do understand some of the reasons. OK, blast away at me!
    I can sum this up with that line that you ofter read in the paper when describing some incident that makes everyone go "Huh?" Alcohol was involved. I read a good article recently about a scientific study on how alcohol affects people differently. They are not sure exactly why but we have probably all seen it. When drunk some people get giggly and some people get mean. Others seem to get stupid and others.......... Either way when people get drunk they usually follow the same pattern of always getting mean or stupid or.......

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