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  1. Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Why would it be illegal to fail the test? Seems to me like they just wouldn't issue the CWP, but being illegal to fail the test seems a bit harsh.
    By not passing the test SC is telling you that you do not have the right to keep and bear arms, specifically the bear part. Under the 10th and 14th amendment, what right does SC have to tell me I have to get their permission first before I can take advantage of my 2nd amendment right? The 2nd amendment, to my knowledge does not mention anything about taking a test, so SLED not allowing us to carry if we fail their test is, yes, ILLEGAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    By not passing the test SC is telling you that you do not have the right to keep and bear arms, specifically the bear part. Under the 10th and 14th amendment, what right does SC have to tell me I have to get their permission first before I can take advantage of my 2nd amendment right? The 2nd amendment, to my knowledge does not mention anything about taking a test, so SLED not allowing us to carry if we fail their test is, yes, ILLEGAL.
    If you genuinely feel that way, why did you get a CWP for yourself to begin with? After all, a CWP is nothing more than an unconstitutional government permission slip requiring unconstitutional mandatory government training that you have to submit to before paying an unconstitutional tax for the privilege to keep and bear arms in a public place. And of course, the places where you're allowed to carry are severely restricted - most of them being publicly owned buildings.

    I suggest you open carry the sidearm of your choice into the SLED Regulatory office and tell them that what they're doing is illegal and they have to stop. Let us know how that goes...
    "I believe we should achieve a national standard on gun control, and that standard should be none whatsoever."

  4. Quote Originally Posted by hp-hobo View Post
    If you genuinely feel that way, why did you get a CWP for yourself to begin with? After all, a CWP is nothing more than an unconstitutional government permission slip requiring unconstitutional mandatory government training that you have to submit to before paying an unconstitutional tax for the privilege to keep and bear arms in a public place. And of course, the places where you're allowed to carry are severely restricted - most of them being publicly owned buildings.

    I suggest you open carry the sidearm of your choice into the SLED Regulatory office and tell them that what they're doing is illegal and they have to stop. Let us know how that goes...
    As much as I would like to do that, I know exactly how it would go. That it why I got my permit. I don't agree with it, but for now it is the the law, and being that I myself am planning on going into law enforcement when I graduate, I don't think a violation of gun law charge on my record is going to play a helping hand in getting me a job. I'm not sure where exactly you were trying to go with your sarcasm, all I was doing was pointing out that, as easy as passing the test may be, it shouldn't be there in the first place. Obviously you don't agree?

    I've always wondered, if it takes 90 days to get your permit back from the date of application, what is the applicant to do during that 90 days to protect himself? Because until that 90 days rolls around, he is blatantly being denied the 2nd amendment. I know several women that I work with that would love to get their CWP, but have neither the time or the money to do so. What is your or SLED's suggestion to them? And if you have an answer, I would prefer a serious and well thought out one, as opposed to your previous comment. But just in case you decide to do so, I'll go ahead and answer...No, I don't think they should march down to SLED regulatory and demand that they let them carry a gun without having to take the class.

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    I may be way off the mark here, but if you have a CWP, and you took the test, why don't you just ask her some questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    As much as I would like to do that, I know exactly how it would go. That it why I got my permit. I don't agree with it, but for now it is the the law, and being that I myself am planning on going into law enforcement when I graduate, I don't think a violation of gun law charge on my record is going to play a helping hand in getting me a job. I'm not sure where exactly you were trying to go with your sarcasm, all I was doing was pointing out that, as easy as passing the test may be, it shouldn't be there in the first place. Obviously you don't agree?

    I've always wondered, if it takes 90 days to get your permit back from the date of application, what is the applicant to do during that 90 days to protect himself? Because until that 90 days rolls around, he is blatantly being denied the 2nd amendment. I know several women that I work with that would love to get their CWP, but have neither the time or the money to do so. What is your or SLED's suggestion to them? And if you have an answer, I would prefer a serious and well thought out one, as opposed to your previous comment. But just in case you decide to do so, I'll go ahead and answer...No, I don't think they should march down to SLED regulatory and demand that they let them carry a gun without having to take the class.
    No sarcasm involved. Just a simple suggestion. I figured at least you'd be doing something instead of just complaining about unconstitutional laws on a forum, which will do nothing to change or repeal said unconstitutional laws. I think it's called putting your money where your mouth is.

    And things are apparently not as "obvious" as you think they are. I have been working (unsuccessfully) to move South Carolina toward what is now know as Constitutional Carry since moving here in 1998. Hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars. Any law, regulation or policy that gets between an American citizen and their Second Amendment (and Article 1, Section 20) protected right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional and should be abolished immediately. Pretty simple, but too radical for most people. I'm willing to bet some of which is even too radical for you.

    Here a few suggestions, some seemingly impossible to do and some not so popular with the handwringers, bedwetters and statists. In no particular order;

    1. Get the government out of our lives and stop regulating our rights.
    2. Ignore unjust laws, especially when your safety is involved.
    3. Carry everywhere, all of the time unless the risk of getting caught is too high.
    4. Stop wasting valuable time and effort discussing legal minutia and asking rhetorical questions about our rights and put your energy into something worthwhile - band together to fix laws at the state level.
    5. Stop making gun rights a liberal versus conservative, (R) versus (D) argument. As soon as you do that you lose half your potential support.
    6. Don't be afraid to let everyone know that you carry - it will never be normalized if we keep hiding.

    In my opinion, #4 is probably the most important for us right now. We currently have no functioning statewide gun rights organization. We have one that is an arm of the NRA, and we know how they negotiate rights away and solicit donations. We have one that is an arm of NAGR, which cheerleads any bill which appears pro-gun even if it really isn't - and they solicit donations. Then we have one that has been out of business for a couple of years by court order because they broke the law and didn't even follow their own bylaws. This is the one that hurts new organization the most because they still have a hold on their many sycophant members who will intentionally not join or even cooperate with any new organization.

    What we need is an active, activist, non-partisan, pro-gun rights organization. I already have some of the foundation in place to make it happen, just not enough serious interest. And I won't roll it out unless I feel it has a good chance to succeed, which I don't at this point.

    Sorry for going beyond topic and ranting. Hope this answers your question.


    ETA: Give this link to your lady friends who see the need for armed protection. Ms Quigley's book is great. Paxton Quigley's Blog
    "I believe we should achieve a national standard on gun control, and that standard should be none whatsoever."

  7. Quote Originally Posted by hp-hobo View Post
    No sarcasm involved. Just a simple suggestion. I figured at least you'd be doing something instead of just complaining about unconstitutional laws on a forum, which will do nothing to change or repeal said unconstitutional laws. I think it's called putting your money where your mouth is.

    And things are apparently not as "obvious" as you think they are. I have been working (unsuccessfully) to move South Carolina toward what is now know as Constitutional Carry since moving here in 1998. Hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars. Any law, regulation or policy that gets between an American citizen and their Second Amendment (and Article 1, Section 20) protected right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional and should be abolished immediately. Pretty simple, but too radical for most people. I'm willing to bet some of which is even too radical for you.

    Here a few suggestions, some seemingly impossible to do and some not so popular with the handwringers, bedwetters and statists. In no particular order;

    1. Get the government out of our lives and stop regulating our rights.
    2. Ignore unjust laws, especially when your safety is involved.
    3. Carry everywhere, all of the time unless the risk of getting caught is too high.
    4. Stop wasting valuable time and effort discussing legal minutia and asking rhetorical questions about our rights and put your energy into something worthwhile - band together to fix laws at the state level.
    5. Stop making gun rights a liberal versus conservative, (R) versus (D) argument. As soon as you do that you lose half your potential support.
    6. Don't be afraid to let everyone know that you carry - it will never be normalized if we keep hiding.

    In my opinion, #4 is probably the most important for us right now. We currently have no functioning statewide gun rights organization. We have one that is an arm of the NRA, and we know how they negotiate rights away and solicit donations. We have one that is an arm of NAGR, which cheerleads any bill which appears pro-gun even if it really isn't - and they solicit donations. Then we have one that has been out of business for a couple of years by court order because they broke the law and didn't even follow their own bylaws. This is the one that hurts new organization the most because they still have a hold on their many sycophant members who will intentionally not join or even cooperate with any new organization.

    What we need is an active, activist, non-partisan, pro-gun rights organization. I already have some of the foundation in place to make it happen, just not enough serious interest. And I won't roll it out unless I feel it has a good chance to succeed, which I don't at this point.

    Sorry for going beyond topic and ranting. Hope this answers your question.


    ETA: Give this link to your lady friends who see the need for armed protection. Ms Quigley's book is great. Paxton Quigley's Blog
    I would love to put my money where my mouth is. You got some money I can borrow? Because to have enough time to deal with SC politicians, I'd have to have plenty of it, plus drop out of school and quit my job. I plan on being plenty active when I have the time to be active. But for now, I'll stick to complaining on the forums.

    And I'm also not sure exactly what you mean by some of which is even too radical for me also? I'm not sure I can think of any pro-gun law that is too radical for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    I would love to put my money where my mouth is. You got some money I can borrow? Because to have enough time to deal with SC politicians, I'd have to have plenty of it, plus drop out of school and quit my job. I plan on being plenty active when I have the time to be active. But for now, I'll stick to complaining on the forums.

    And I'm also not sure exactly what you mean by some of which is even too radical for me also? I'm not sure I can think of any pro-gun law that is too radical for me...
    Well, at least we know what your excuses are. I plan on being a multi-millionaire once I can act like and look like Johnny Depp. Until then, I'll just whine about is on the worldwide interwebz... [rolls eyes]

    As for gun laws that are most likely too radical for you, if you were made King of the USA and could change firearms laws in any way that suited you, name three laws that you would put into effect concerning guns. Remember that laws tell you what you can't do, not what you can do. Let's say once concerning possession, on concerning use and one concerning carry. The floor is yours.
    "I believe we should achieve a national standard on gun control, and that standard should be none whatsoever."

  9. Quote Originally Posted by hp-hobo View Post
    Well, at least we know what your excuses are. I plan on being a multi-millionaire once I can act like and look like Johnny Depp. Until then, I'll just whine about is on the worldwide interwebz... [rolls eyes]

    As for gun laws that are most likely too radical for you, if you were made King of the USA and could change firearms laws in any way that suited you, name three laws that you would put into effect concerning guns. Remember that laws tell you what you can't do, not what you can do. Let's say once concerning possession, on concerning use and one concerning carry. The floor is yours.
    I'd say the 2nd does just fine. Get rid of them all and let it do all the talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    I'd say the 2nd does just fine. Get rid of them all and let it do all the talking.
    So you have no problem with convicted felons keeping and bearing a sidearm?
    "I believe we should achieve a national standard on gun control, and that standard should be none whatsoever."

  11. Quote Originally Posted by hp-hobo View Post
    So you have no problem with convicted felons keeping and bearing a sidearm?
    As has been said in argument after argument on the pro-gun side, their access to a gun is not the limiting factor for crime, it's their intentions. I go to church with a few men who are convicted felons and I would trust them more with a gun than a lot of people out there who can legally buy a gun. One of them was a good family friend of ours before he served his time, and still is now that he's out. He's a great guy who wouldn't hurt a fly, just got caught up in some crooked business deals by some higher-ups at his company who were taking advantage of him. When the sh!t hit the fan, he took the fall. If they are still criminals after serving their time, and they want a gun, the laws keeping them from buying one aren't going to stop them. But what if you have good men who made a bad mistake once upon a time and are truly turned around and doing the right thing now, why shouldn't they be afforded the right to self defense just like everyone else?

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