2nd Amendment food for thought


Big Bubba

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Time...and burglars, rapists and idiots...wait for no man, or woman. We are locked and loaded in our home!












2nd Amendment!





The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. (waiting for attack)

The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.


1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.

4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes (usually more) away.

5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46.'

6. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'

7. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!

But wait, there's more!

I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said I did. She said 'Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!' To which I said, of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!' She then asked, 'Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?' My reply was, 'No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too.' To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Time...and burglars, rapists and idiots...wait for no man, or woman. We are locked and loaded in our home!












2nd Amendment!





The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. (waiting for attack)

The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.


1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.

4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes (usually more) away.

5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46.'

6. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'

7. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!

But wait, there's more!

I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said I did. She said 'Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!' To which I said, of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!' She then asked, 'Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?' My reply was, 'No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too.' To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.

I agree, for the most part. As for keeping my guns loaded, only when I'm carrying them on my person (which is only outside the home). My home defense guns don't have a round in the chamber; I'll chamber a round in my pump action Mossberg if I hear someone breaking in; nothing like the sound of a round being chambered for deterrence.
 

HK4U

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I have always kept at least one, usually a couple loaded at home where I can get to them even when my kids were little. I did not worry about them touching them because they were not keep a mystery to them. My kids were taught gun safety, taken to the range to see what guns would do and at a young age taught to shot. I did not worry about them picking up a loaded gun any more than I worried about them driving my car without permission just because I keep the tank "loaded" with gas.
Regarding to the statement about fighting to win I like what Massad Ayoob said. "The idea is not to take them with you but rather to send them on ahead".

By the way as far as my kids not messing with my guns they were never left unattended. To much unsupervised time is one of the main problems of kids today.
 

Brainchild

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I have always kept at least one, usually a couple loaded at home where I can get to them even when my kids were little. I did not worry about them touching them because they were not keep a mystery to them. My kids were taught gun safety, taken to the range to see what guns would do and at a young age taught to shot. I did not worry about them picking up a loaded gun any more than I worried about them driving my car without permission just because I keep the tank "loaded" with gas.
Regarding to the statement about fighting to win I like what Massad Ayoob said. "The idea is not to take them with you but rather to send them on ahead".
By the way as far as my kids not messing with my guns they were never left unattended. To much unsupervised time is one of the main problems of kids today.
I could not agree more.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
I have always kept at least one, usually a couple loaded at home where I can get to them even when my kids were little. I did not worry about them touching them because they were not keep a mystery to them. My kids were taught gun safety, taken to the range to see what guns would do and at a young age taught to shot. I did not worry about them picking up a loaded gun any more than I worried about them driving my car without permission just because I keep the tank "loaded" with gas.
Regarding to the statement about fighting to win I like what Massad Ayoob said. "The idea is not to take them with you but rather to send them on ahead".

By the way as far as my kids not messing with my guns they were never left unattended. To much unsupervised time is one of the main problems of kids today.
Well thankfully I don't have that problem. There aren't any kids in my home.

However, this brings up another question. What about when other people's kids come to your home? Obviously, you don't know how much knowledge they have of guns; in fact, I would argue that most parents don't teach their kids as much about guns as you do with yours. How do you handle that?
 

HK4U

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Well thankfully I don't have that problem. There aren't any kids in my home.

However, this brings up another question. What about when other people's kids come to your home? Obviously, you don't know how much knowledge they have of guns; in fact, I would argue that most parents don't teach their kids as much about guns as you do with yours. How do you handle that?
My kids are also now grown so I don't have to worry about that either. When other kids came to our house and even now on the rare occasion when we have kids or even other adults in our home the guns are up out of sight and out of mind from them. I do not trust many adults much more than kids when it comes to guns. Who knows what experience if any they have had with firearms.
 

tattedupboy

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My kids are also now grown so I don't have to worry about that either. When other kids came to our house and even now on the rare occasion when we have kids or even other adults in our home the guns are up out of sight and out of mind from them. I do not trust many adults much more than kids when it comes to guns. Who knows what experience if any they have had with firearms.
Good point! I don't have kids of my own, so most of the time, that's not something I have to worry about either. I was raised in a home with guns, but they were kept unloaded and out of sight (I think). I don't keep any of my weapons loaded when I'm at home, so I'm pretty sure that when I have kids, it will probably still be that way. I still think every day about how I'm going to teach them how to use firearms when I do have them.
 

kwo51

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All my guns are loaded,kids taught the same thing.Not unloaded untill you clear it yourself.In safe or on me.
 
WOW loaded hand guns in the house around children... Just remember as an adult you are responsible for what happens regardless of what training the children have had. If the gun goes off and a child has it you go to jail if it is your gun.... As for me, better safe then sorry... I have a loaded hand gun in a hand gun safe with a quick combo in case I need it. Don't think a kid or his friends could get it.
 

tattedupboy

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WOW loaded hand guns in the house around children... Just remember as an adult you are responsible for what happens regardless of what training the children have had. If the gun goes off and a child has it you go to jail if it is your gun.... As for me, better safe then sorry... I have a loaded hand gun in a hand gun safe with a quick combo in case I need it. Don't think a kid or his friends could get it.

I agree. I don't care how much I teach them, no way would I ever have loaded guns in the house with children unless they were locked away. No matter how much I teach them, you can't watch them 24 hours a day. Having loaded guns in the house while I'm gone and they're there would make me nervous. Besides, even now, I don't have any kids, and I still don't keep any of my guns loaded. In my case, what worries me about loaded guns is mice. Sure, I've been living in my apartment for well over a year now and have never seen a mouse, but what if? If a mouse is running around, isn't it quite possible that one could run over the trigger of a loaded gun, and you'll be wondering how in the world it discharged? The only time any of my guns is ever loaded is when I'm carrying it.
 

HK4U

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I agree. I don't care how much I teach them, no way would I ever have loaded guns in the house with children unless they were locked away. No matter how much I teach them, you can't watch them 24 hours a day. Having loaded guns in the house while I'm gone and they're there would make me nervous. Besides, even now, I don't have any kids, and I still don't keep any of my guns loaded. In my case, what worries me about loaded guns is mice. Sure, I've been living in my apartment for well over a year now and have never seen a mouse, but what if? If a mouse is running around, isn't it quite possible that one could run over the trigger of a loaded gun, and you'll be wondering how in the world it discharged? The only time any of my guns is ever loaded is when I'm carrying it.
Don't know. I think that would take either a pretty strong mouse or a hair trigger'
Guns don't kill, mice kill.
 
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frank.macher

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I would never expect a mouse to be able to run over the trigger and set it off, that would have to be a really low trigger pull or one friggin big mouse...

I keep several loaded, I lock them up when others are over, including adults. I have several relatives I don't particularly trust that visit. When that happens, they all go into the safe except the one I'm carrying. Yes, I carry around them too.

My kids have all been trained too, but, as stated before, when I go off to work they are generally out of their ability to get to, fire safe that the wife has a key to, in the gun safe, lock boxes or trigger locked, etc.

I would really be delayed in reacting if I had to find the ammo, find the pistol, load and chamber... Bad setup for me good for the BG...

Another thing I always arrange for is the one avail at night has night sights on it to allow me to reference the sights, lord knows the fuzziness that comes from awakening from sleep can cause issue with target acquisition, I want to know I'm aiming where I believe I am. I do a lot of practice targetting at night after the kids and wife are in bed.

She kind of frowns on me pointing a pistol (even when I clear it and put the safety plugs in) at the TV, the picture frames, etc.
 

kwo51

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My safe has pistol holders,six pistols with grips up ready to go. 2 home defense guns have mags in them but not all the way.At night safe is open I can grab gun seat mag rack slide and go.This and all house guns have lights installed.Shotgun in rifle rack just below in safe . Day time gun on side and safe on day safe key away from grandchild.She would love to shoot but only 3.
 

tattedupboy

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Well, better safe than sorry, right? And what about pets? Sure the answer is probably to keep them in a safe, but then, you sacrifice accessibility. Since I don't have any kids, I don't plan on purchasing a safe any time soon, but even in the meantime, I just don't like the idea of keeping my guns loaded. Too many things could happen that could press the trigger and cause them to discharge.

BTW, before anyone says that an unloaded gun is useless, that is not true; this is true only if you can't chamber a round quickly, and I can. The only time any gun of mine is ever loaded is when I'm carrying it on my person outside the home.
 

capo2186

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Well, better safe than sorry, right? And what about pets? Sure the answer is probably to keep them in a safe, but then, you sacrifice accessibility. Since I don't have any kids, I don't plan on purchasing a safe any time soon, but even in the meantime, I just don't like the idea of keeping my guns loaded. Too many things could happen that could press the trigger and cause them to discharge.

I do agree with you on better being safe, than sorry.

I am sure you can chamber a round very quickly, not doubting that at all. However, my question is, in a situation where you have maybe seconds to react, how would being able to chamber a round quickly help, that alone can take a couple of seconds and by then may be too late. I am not saying leave loaded weapons around your house, I wouldn’t do that myself, but at night I do load my 500 with 00 buck shot and leave it in my safe, which is opened. The safe is right near my bed. All I have to do is aim and fire. Now I suppose if I did not chamber a round, I could simply leave the gun with rounds in the tube, and then chamber a round (making the great shotgun being loaded sound which I love).

Another question...

Do you leave your guns totally unloaded or just not one chambered? For instance, is your mag full and on your night stand out of the gun, or is it full and in the gun waiting for a round to be chambered? IMO these are two different things. If your mag is in your gun, I think that’s fine. I do however think that not having the mag at least in your gun is a mistake. Are you fast at chambering a round under pressure with your adrenalin pumping? Just something to think about. I am not flaming you by any means, just stating my opinions. Thanks and enjoy your day man!
 

tattedupboy

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Well, better safe than sorry, right? And what about pets? Sure the answer is probably to keep them in a safe, but then, you sacrifice accessibility. Since I don't have any kids, I don't plan on purchasing a safe any time soon, but even in the meantime, I just don't like the idea of keeping my guns loaded. Too many things could happen that could press the trigger and cause them to discharge.

I do agree with you on better being safe, than sorry.

I am sure you can chamber a round very quickly, not doubting that at all. However, my question is, in a situation where you have maybe seconds to react, how would being able to chamber a round quickly help, that alone can take a couple of seconds and by then may be too late. I am not saying leave loaded weapons around your house, I wouldn’t do that myself, but at night I do load my 500 with 00 buck shot and leave it in my safe, which is opened. The safe is right near my bed. All I have to do is aim and fire. Now I suppose if I did not chamber a round, I could simply leave the gun with rounds in the tube, and then chamber a round (making the great shotgun being loaded sound which I love).

Another question...

Do you leave your guns totally unloaded or just not one chambered? For instance, is your mag full and on your night stand out of the gun, or is it full and in the gun waiting for a round to be chambered? IMO these are two different things. If your mag is in your gun, I think that’s fine. I do however think that not having the mag at least in your gun is a mistake. Are you fast at chambering a round under pressure with your adrenalin pumping? Just something to think about. I am not flaming you by any means, just stating my opinions. Thanks and enjoy your day man!
I agree with you that pets could also run around and run over a trigger, causing a loaded firearm to discharge unintentionally. That, however, is a moot point for me, because I'm not allowed to keep pets in my apartment.

When I say that my guns aren't loaded, I mean that the mags are full, but no round is chambered, and the safety is not on. Because it's likely that it'll be dark when I try reaching for my firearm in the event of a break-in, I want to be sure that if I unintentionally touch the trigger while fumbling around for it, that it won't discharge. I'm confident that I'll be able to chamber a round quickly enough to face the threat.
 

capo2186

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I agree with you that pets could also run around and run over a trigger, causing a loaded firearm to discharge unintentionally. That, however, is a moot point for me, because I'm not allowed to keep pets in my apartment.

When I say that my guns aren't loaded, I mean that the mags are full, but no round is chambered, and the safety is not on. Because it's likely that it'll be dark when I try reaching for my firearm in the event of a break-in, I want to be sure that if I unintentionally touch the trigger while fumbling around for it, that it won't discharge. I'm confident that I'll be able to chamber a round quickly enough to face the threat.
With that said, I agree with you being able to chamber a round quick enough to face a threat. I was unclear on that before when I made my post.
 

kwo51

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All my guns are loaded. This means even if I set a gun down in the safe unloaded and pick it up later I still treat it as loaded.Teach all people all guns are loaded until you have cleared it yourself.
 

HK4U

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Any gun that is on me, beside me while watching T.V. or reading or on the nightstand while sleeping has a round chambered. I have only DBL action and DBL only autos. I do not own or carry a single action auto so there is no danger in having one in the pipe. It may take only a second to rack the slide but that second may be the difference between my life or death. When you are dealing with a criminal most of the time your are already behind the curve. He knows what he plans to do and probably has his gun on you already. You are workiing from a disadvantage. By the way the DPS officers here in Texas that teach the CHL Instructors course recommend having a round chambered.
 

wuzfuz

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Amen, Bubba

I have to agree totally with Bubba. I was a corporal for a sheriff's dept in Arizona, and to get from one side of our district to the other took over half an hour running code. Our nearest back-up was often an hour away. When asked I re-affirmed that a citizen has an absolute right to defend oneself, and that the police were even realizing they could not protect everyone. It is so true: 911 - When Seconds Count, the Police are minutes or More Away. High five, Big Bubba.
 

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