Big problem with reciprocity


FN1910

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It appears that SC does not have a way to verify CWP's 24/7. Now why they need to be verified and what is involved I don't know. However because of that VA has dropped SC as a state that they recognize. This came up when SC offere reciprocity to VA and they started checking the requirements. This prompted VA to check several other states and VA also dropped them. On top of that NV has dropped VA.

This is bad as our CWP's are no longer recognized in VA and it appears that reciprocity with NV is out. This is not due to the new law but rather other states requirements. Hang on for a rough ride.

Interesting thing is that even if the original law of recognition of all states had passed this would not done any good and have permitted carry in VA.
 

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Red Hat

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Thanks for the link. This is the only explanation I've seen that explains what happened. They also dumpped TN from their list.

SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENTS - BE SURE TO READ THIS ENTIRE SECTION!
****
Tom Lambert, with the Virginia State Police, just sent me an update on
Virginia's reciprocity status with several other states. I want to
thank Tom for his professionalism and his diligent work to setup
reciprocity with as many states as possible. The rant that follows
has nothing to do with Tom - I want to make that perfectly clear.
As I looked at Tom's latest update, one glaring problem jumps out at
me: the Virginia State Police's demand that all reciprocal states
have a system in place to verify the validity of their permits 24
hours a day, 7 days a week, is crushing a lot of reciprocal agreements!
The net effect is that YOU are left defenseless in many states as you
travel solely because if this unnecessary requirement by YOUR state
police. And many guests to this state are similarly and unnecessarily
disarmed.
That is unacceptable and we need to do whatever we can to get that
24/7 requirement struck out of Virginia law.
Let me show you just how inane and how serious a problem this is.
***Virginia has JUST stopped recognizing South Carolina concealed
handgun permits. ***
Why?
Because apparently South Carolina does not have the 24/7 validation
capability. For years now Virginia thought they did and has been
recognizing their permits! Virginia just now discovered the problem
while reviewing information with South Carolina!
So for years not one single Virginia police officer has needed to
verify a South Carolina CHP. If they had, this problem would have
surfaced a long time ago.
That confirms what VCDL has been saying all along: WHILE THE STATE
POLICE DEMAND 24/7 VALIDATION, VCDL DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY EVER OR
**EXTREMELY RARELY** USE IT!!
Here is what the State Police's 24/7 validation demand has caused gun
owners across the country:
1. After many, many years, South Carolina has just offered Virginia
reciprocity, BUT because we have just stopped recognizing South
Carolina over the 24/7 issue, the deal is DEAD! :-(
2. Virginia will not recognize Idaho, even though they have honored
our permits for years, because Idaho does not have 24/7 validation.
3. Virginia will not recognize Indiana, even though they have honored
our permits for years, because Indiana does not have 24/7 validation.
4. Virginia will not setup reciprocity with Maine because Maine
doesn't have 24/7 validation.
5. Virginia will not setup reciprocity with Alabama because Alabama
doesn't have 24/7 validation.
6. Virginia will not setup reciprocity with New Hampshire because New
Hampshire doesn't have 24/7 validation.
7. In a "what's good for the goose is good for the gander", Nevada
has turned Virginia down because our damned 24/7 validation isn't
automated!
The State Police and the General Assembly need to understand this is
not a game. Lives are at stake and we need to get rid of the road
blocks that are fragmenting the 2nd Amendment and our right to defend
ourselves and our families.
This whole issue has just been bumped up in VCDL's legislative agenda
for next year.
We finally get offered reciprocity by South Carolina and the Virginia
State Police force us to fumble the ball. I'm livid!
If you are from South Carolina, you are going to have to use either a
Florida, Utah, or a Virginia non-resident permit to carry concealed
here, I'm embarrassed to say.
 

340mopar

.45 Randall 1911/Glock 21
Looks like this missunderstanding is beeing resolved.
SC Grass roots (Bill) has been in touch with and recieved confirmation that they are clearing this issue up.:moil:
 

Red Hat

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Looks like this missunderstanding is beeing resolved.
SC Grass roots (Bill) has been in touch with and recieved confirmation that they are clearing this issue up.:moil:
That's the problem I have with Grassroots. They never update their site. Something like this should be on the main page. It hasn't been updated in months! Plus they did away with the forum. At least there you could ask questions and hope for an answer.
 

Ed21

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That's the problem I have with Grassroots. They never update their site. Something like this should be on the main page. It hasn't been updated in months! Plus they did away with the forum. At least there you could ask questions and hope for an answer.
You think SC Grassroots is out of date, look at NC's. Hell, they are still talking about a dinner in the 90's and a machine gun shoot not too long after that. I went throug their site and sent a list with links to update much of what was there and nothing was done. Grassroots is a good idea but needs to be kept current. I know most are volunteer sites or organizations but accept what help is available and not be so demanding or picky of the help offered.:suicide2:
 

340mopar

.45 Randall 1911/Glock 21
That's the problem I have with Grassroots. They never update their site. Something like this should be on the main page. It hasn't been updated in months! Plus they did away with the forum. At least there you could ask questions and hope for an answer.

I do agree with that...they could use a better update progam ... but at least they are fighting for us.
 

MP3Mogul

New member
Well, correct me if I am wrong, but I remember looking back when I traveled, and Virginia honored SC's permits, but SC never honored VA permits.... I think I'm right on this. I'm not sure of the whole situation going on right now.
 

FN1910

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Well, correct me if I am wrong, but I remember looking back when I traveled, and Virginia honored SC's permits, but SC never honored VA permits.... I think I'm right on this. I'm not sure of the whole situation going on right now.
You are correct until about a week ago and that is what has everyone upset. Hopefully they can get this sorted out so it will work both ways.
 

340mopar

.45 Randall 1911/Glock 21
Yes we could go there, but they could not come here..

SC tried to gain complete Reciprocity w/ VA

VA looked into us and realized that the min requirements for their State were not met
so they told us no and removed us.

We the peoples of SC discovered that the “Govment” had faulted, and brought this to VA's attention. Now they are looking into it again.

Which leaves us most likely banned from VA until full reciprocity has been achieved
(instead of giving us the right back, while they work things out)
 

hpj3

New member
That's the problem I have with Grassroots. They never update their site. Something like this should be on the main page. It hasn't been updated in months! Plus they did away with the forum. At least there you could ask questions and hope for an answer.
The website is designed for more general info... if you want to keep current on what's happening, sign up for the digests (general for non-members, leadership group for members). It's our primary method of communication.

Or you could volunteer to help out with keeping it up...

Howard
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Well, all is not lost. At least SC residents who visit Virginia can open carry there with no permit. That's what I would do; after all, open carry is better than no carry at all.
 

340mopar

.45 Randall 1911/Glock 21
The website is designed for more general info... if you want to keep current on what's happening, sign up for the digests (general for non-members, leadership group for members). It's our primary method of communication.

Or you could volunteer to help out with keeping it up...

Howard
I am signed up ... lot of chit chat, and such..
but it does not bring in the people like a wesite.
even a forum set-up
 

blume357@

New member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think another thread shows

we are back on the VA list... I'll go check.

I just checked Florida and S.C. is listed!
 

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