Government warns of "Militia Movement"


Landavazoaj

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I have been a long time supporter of Ron Paul, and as such read his Campaign For Liberty website. I read a very dissapointing article. What do you think?

Campaign For Liberty — Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts   | by Anthony Gregory

As most readers of this are probably aware, the Campaign for Liberty has been singled out, along with a few other political groups, in a leaked Missouri state government report, "The Modern Militia Movement." The document tells state officials to be on the lookout for violent extremists while conflating them with pretty much anyone who criticizes the government. Perhaps most troubling, the information apparently comes from the Department of Homeland Security, meaning that similar documents could be circulating in states other than Missouri.

The brush with which this report paints critics of the federal government is so absurdly broad that it should not have to be taken seriously. The report lumps together violent white supremacists with the diverse and broad coalition behind Ron Paul, a man who has called racism "simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals." People who favor peace and cooperation among nations are thrown together with belligerent nationalists. Militants who saw George W. Bush as their savior and loved the war on terror are associated with those of us who saw Bush's reign as a long period of attacks on social peace, international harmony and freedom. We who criticize the Federal Reserve, fiat money, and inflation -- many of whom were inspired by great Jewish economists like Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard -- are conflated with peddlers of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Promoters of social harmony and cooperation are branded as antisocial promoters of conflict. The wide net cast catches both domestic terrorists and anyone who happens to favor constitutional government, oppose international bureaucracies, question the IRS, CIA, FBI or United Nations, subscribe to libertarian politics or oppose the military draft.

This should all be too ridiculous to address, but police carrying out nationally directed profiling have not been known to be the most nuanced in their investigations. So there is some legitimate concern for freedom activists of all stripes.

The report's categorization of so many different types of people as potential threats to domestic peace takes on a distinct flavor in these Obama years, targeting tens of millions of conservative-leaning Americans who wish to peacefully live their lives in freedom -- people who take their Second Amendment rights seriously, people who oppose the staggering growth of government in modern times, people who do not fit into a politically correct mold of good citizenship. It is thus a dangerous report, but it is not anything qualitatively new in the history of the American Republic. Sometimes the fear-mongering was simply stupid and counterproductive; but many times it meant severe attacks on the civil liberties of peaceful Americans.

During the American Revolution, peaceful colonial skeptics of the war had their property confiscated. President John Adams targeted the Jeffersonians with the unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. During the War on 1812, Louis Louaillier, a Louisiana journalist, was jailed by General Andrew Jackson merely for protesting martial law -- and then the judge who issued him a habeas corpus writ was also jailed. Many critics during the Civil War were jailed without due process simply for expressing their opposition to Abraham Lincoln's power grabs. Critics of Reconstruction were also thrown in prison for their opinions.

With the advent of the national leviathan and technological modernity, oppression of peaceful dissenters hit new heights. Much of this was rooted in the Red Scare. Those thought to be socialist sympathizers were harassed. Labor agitators were brutalized, hundreds of thousands of Americans ended up on government lists, and hundreds of suspected communists were deported to Bolshevik Russia.

The whole time, government used fear of activist violence to chip away the freedom of all Americans. Labor organizers were hardly all angels. Many violently lashed out at scabs and their activism sometimes degenerated into riots and crimes against the innocent. Communist ideology is certainly one of the more dangerous belief systems. Yet the government lumped all these people together, effectively criminalizing free speech, opinions and associations, and persecuting people simply for disagreeing with the establishment view.

War hysteria brought on the worst abuses. During World War I, those who were German, spoke German, taught German or patronized German art and music were targeted by lynch mobs and government crackdowns. Under the Espionage and Sedition Acts, critics of the war, conscription, the American flag, Constitution or U.S. military were thrown in prison. Woodrow Wilson put Eugene Debs, his socialist presidential opponent, in prison for giving a speech that correctly said the draft was a form of compulsory service illegal under the Constitution. Apparently, either being too pro-Constitution or too anti-Constitution was enough to find oneself in a cage.

Criticism of American allies, including Britain, could also land one in jail. Robert Goldstein was sentenced to prison for making a patriotic movie, The Spirit of '76, which was about the American Revolution and appropriately portrayed the British as the antagonists. After the war, abuses continued. In the late 1920s, the Bureau of Investigation, today called the FBI, spied on Albert Einstein.

Franklin Roosevelt spied on his political opponents, including Republican presidential candidate Wendell Wilkie, and had lists compiled of both rightwing opponents of his New Deal regime and leftwing radicals. The government was poised to round them all up. This did not end up happening, although FDR did force more than 100,000 peaceful Americans of Japanese descent into internment camps, depriving them of their liberty and property in the name of a war for freedom.

As the Cold War commenced, government monitoring and persecution of peaceful dissenters resumed. Many Americans mostly remember Senator Joe McCarthy, who focused on officials in power above him, but far worse abuses occurred against peaceful and powerless Americans. The Hollywood blacklist is the most well known example.

But the government witch hunts and agitation got worse than even this. The FBI infiltrated both rightwing critics of Civil Rights legislation and leftwing activists. In 1956 the agency launched COINTELPRO (Counter Intellgience Program). The purpose, according to one internal document, was to "track, expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize the activities" of certain activist groups. In one San Diego operation, COINTELPRO used forged letters to incite violence between the Black Panthers and its rival, the United Slaves. The FBI celebrated the "shootings, beatings, and a high degree of unrest," and gloated in a memo, "Although no specific counterintelligence action can be credited with contributing to this overall situation, it is felt that a substantial amount of the unrest is directly attributable to this program." This was revealed in the famous U.S. Senate Church Committee reports in 1976. Far from making us safer, the government, looking for trouble, was proudly provoking civil unrest.

Throughout the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, the FBI spied on radicals, Civil Rights advocates, opponents of mandatory busing, and opponents of the Vietnam War. Victims of this surveillance included Martin Luther King and John Lennon -- not exactly serious threats to national security.

After the Cold War, the emphasis was shifted toward rightwing extremists. Under the first Bush administration, Randy Weaver, a white separatist, was goaded into breaking the law by informants. This entrapment resulted in federal raids that killed Weaver's son and wife. Early in the Clinton administration, from February to April 1993, federal hysteria directed at the separatist Branch Davidian group outside Waco, Texas -- this group distinctively not white separatist (nearly half of the Davidians were people of color) -- culminated in a military operation on American soil that cost the lives of about 80 American civilians, about a fourth of them children, and four federal officials. Much of what was said about the group was propaganda to save the face of the administration and exempt it from blame for this unspeakable and completely avoidable tragedy.

Many Americans, including conservatives jealous of their rights to live as free people, began criticizing the government for going way too far in its national police powers. Much of the dissent was chilled when the mass murder of innocents at Oklahoma City unfolded on April 19, 1995, precisely two years after the Waco siege ended.

Gulf War veteran Timothy McVeigh was implicated in the Oklahoma City atrocity, but the government and the liberal establishment pinned blame on an entire subculture, and even on mainstream conservatives. Rush Limbaugh was blamed for voicing anti-government opinions that supposedly contributed to domestic terrorism. For the rest of the 1990s, the rightwing was demonized, lumped together with the militia movement, and the threat of both were wildly exaggerated, even as the Clinton government used the IRS and other means to intimidate its peaceful critics. Prolife groups were harassed through RICO statutes. Gunowners were accused of being unpatriotic and un-American, and any talk of U.S. tyranny was seen as suspect.

With George W. Bush and the war on terror, the face of the targeted group changed, but the basic pattern continued. Muslims and Arabs were suspected as enemies of America, and hundreds were rounded up without due process. Bush thundered that "you are either with us or with the terrorists." In December, 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft lashed out at Americans concerned about civil liberties:

"To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this. Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil."

Thus were peaceful critics of the war on terror targeted. Iraq war protesters were spied on and assaulted by police. In October 2003, the FBI oversaw surveillance of protesters, infiltrated their groups, monitored their "training grounds" and kept an eye out for "protest activity and potentially illegal acts," as one formal memo put it. One FBI official was quoted in the New York Times saying, "it's obvious that there are individuals capable of violence at these events. We know that they are anarchists." It was a throwback to the Red Scare.

In the summer of 2005, the FBI admitted to collecting thousands of documents on non-violent activists, the ACLU, Greenpeace, and antiwar organizations. By using "National Security Letters," the government could force citizens to relinquish personal and financial information while forbidding them from informing anyone, including their lawyer. By 2005, about 30,000 such letters were issued annually. The FBI spied on the Catholic Worker Movement, noting its "semi-communistic ideology."

The same year, NBC News obtained a secret 400-page Pentagon document that tracked such "extremists" as anti-war Quakers in Florida, whose meeting was officially described as a "suspicious incident" and a "threat." All the while, peaceful activists were denied their right to travel by being inexplicably put on federal No-Fly lists.

Now the flavor of government has changed from the Republican leviathan of George W. Bush to the Democratic leviathan of Barack Hussein Obama. A different group is vulnerable to being marginalized -- in many ways a revitalization of the Clinton era atmosphere, although now with the post-9/11 concern about peace activists and all the surveillance powers inaugurated by Bush still in place.

But the general substance behind government fear-mongering and witch-hunts, and the attempts to chill dissent and silence peaceful political critics, have continued and have a long history. For the last century especially, we have seen the government lump together violent and in many cases unsavory agitators on both the left and right with Americans who simply question unlimited government, nationalist police powers and disastrous foreign wars. While there are indeed some violent and crazed elements on the fringes of the right and left -- while there are likewise some extremist characters and frightening viewpoints in the mainstream of American politics, too -- the result of such government persecution of dissenters is always to marginalize everyday citizens with unpopular views, conflate thoughtful and principled criticism of the government with agitation for social unrest and violence, and jeopardize the civil liberties of all Americans.

When the target is leftists, antiwar activists, or "un-American" radicals, statist conservatives have tended to look the other way. When the target is cultural conservatives, gunowners and American patriots who love the Constitution, it is statist liberals who tend to downplay the danger.

In truth, all such fear-mongering, when capitalized upon by unchecked national police powers in an atmosphere of hysteria, poses a severe threat to American liberty, and must be taken very seriously by any culture that respects freedom and the very foundations of civilization. The right to peacefully dissent and oppose government deprivations of life, liberty and property, is an inalienable right as fundamental as any other.

The right to question the government, even from a mistaken point of view, is at the heart of America's proud heritage. When America relinquishes this understanding, it comes to adopt the features of the supposed enemy. In the name of rooting out Communists, America became just a bit more communistic. In an effort to keep an eye on violent extremists, the government resorts to violence and extremism. All the labor agitators, Muslim sympathizers and militia groups put together can never threaten American freedom and security as much as an unleashed police state in a climate of fear.

So it is that much more important to speak up; to tell the truth; to defend the freedoms of all people to speak, live in peace, pursue happiness in a world of liberty, so long as they do not commit aggression against their fellow man. For defending this vision of a free and peaceful world, for sticking up for the rights of others no matter who they are or what they believe, we at the Campaign for Liberty and those of like mind have been wrongly targeted by an overbearing government. But we who love liberty have the right ideas and the passion to stand by our principles. In the end, the national police, state governments, Homeland Security and all the SWAT Teams and spying powers in the world cannot defeat a idea that is true and whose time has come. And it is this idea -- this idea at root of Ron Paul's Love Revolution -- the dream of peace and freedom for all Americans -- that truly frightens those who favor the total state, intimidation and fear directed abroad and toward peaceful dissent at home. It is the idea of liberty, not militias or terrorists, that most threatens the establishment, even as it offers nothing but hope and promise for the American people and the people of the world.
 

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wolfhunter

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Not much of a surprise. Holder is reputed to feel Janet Reno didn't go far enough. Her definition of "hate groups" could've included every church I ever visited and she seemed to think 5 people with 4 guns between them were a militia.
 
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wolfhunter

Guest
Those of us with CCW permits and those with Combat Arms backgrounds are probably on the short list already. If you also signed up and worked with a third party campaign, you can be sure you are listed.
 

CathyInBlue

Tool Maker
If they are going to come for anyone, let them come for me.
Better to die on one's feet, than to live on one's knees.
 

Cooter

Liberty or Death
Their fear is working- I'm afraid to look at these web-sites and watch videos- I don't want to be targeted for having an opinion :(

One should never be ashamed, or fear the consequences of being right.
If congress passed a bill saying BBQ'ing babies is legal, that doesn't make it right. And likewise, if congress says freedom of speach is a sin, that doesn't make it wrong.
I would rather die standing for my beliefs, than live in fear because of them. Like CathyInBlue just said:
Better to die on one's feet, than to live on one's knees.

Besides, you are probably allready labeled as a 'potential threat.' You are on a gun related forum. :biggrin:
 

Tex4oc

Patriot 1st
Right with you Cathy, ever vigilant, always armed. If they are going to come, let them come. I don't know who they'll send, every cop, deputy, and soldier I've talked to said they wouldn't be a part of any confiscation scheme. Maybe they'll send Daniel Craig(007), he's a gun hater, or Michael Moore.:fie:
 
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thedoc96

Guest
Michael Moore....HA!!!!! I would LOVE to see him TRY and take action on all the trash he talks!!
 

Tea For One

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one should never be ashamed, or fear the consequences of being right.
If congress passed a bill saying bbq'ing babies is legal, that doesn't make it right. And likewise, if congress says freedom of speach is a sin, that doesn't make it wrong.
I would rather die standing for my beliefs, than live in fear because of them. Like cathyinblue just said:
better to die on one's feet, than to live on one's knees.

besides, you are probably allready labeled as a 'potential threat.' you are on a gun related forum. :biggrin:

amen!
 

HK4U

New member
Well lets see. I am a Christian. I believe in the second coming of Christ. I believe the 2nd amendment was written to protect an individuals right to own firearms to protect themselves from enemies of the constitution both foreign and domestic. I am opposed to the NWO. I think America should get out of the U.N. and get the U.N. out of America. I love my country but I fear my government. Where do you think that puts me on the list?
 

krazyk

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Well lets see. I am a Christian. I believe in the second coming of Christ. I believe the 2nd amendment was written to protect an individuals right to own firearms to protect themselves from enemies of the constitution both foreign and domestic. I am opposed to the NWO. I think America should get out of the U.N. and get the U.N. out of America. I love my country but I fear my government. Where do you think that puts me on the list?

militia leader:sarcastic:
 

Scarecrow

New member
Well lets see. I am a Christian. I believe in the second coming of Christ. I believe the 2nd amendment was written to protect an individuals right to own firearms to protect themselves from enemies of the constitution both foreign and domestic. I am opposed to the NWO. I think America should get out of the U.N. and get the U.N. out of America. I love my country but I fear my government. Where do you think that puts me on the list?

right about where it puts most of us here.
 

Piece Corps

New member
Well lets see. I am a Christian. I believe in the second coming of Christ. I believe the 2nd amendment was written to protect an individuals right to own firearms to protect themselves from enemies of the constitution both foreign and domestic. I am opposed to the NWO. I think America should get out of the U.N. and get the U.N. out of America. I love my country but I fear my government. Where do you think that puts me on the list?

Yep! You're just one of the bunch! According to their criteria, almost all of us up here are terrorists. Just a run on the old saw, "When guns are outlawed, I'll be an outlaw!"
 

rmarcustrucker

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Lets hope and prayer the pressure on the political front are all that is ever needed against our own.
1861-1865 was a hard time in our country.
 
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festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
Missouri retracts report linking militias, 3rd party candidates

McClatchy Washington Bureau
Missouri retracts report linking militias, 3rd party candidates | McClatchy

Posted on Fri, Mar. 27, 2009
Missouri retracts report linking militias, 3rd party candidates
Jason Noble | Kansas City Star

last updated: March 27, 2009 02:42:22 PM

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — The Missouri Highway Patrol this week retracted a controversial report on militia activity and will change how such reports are reviewed before being distributed to law enforcement agencies.

The Highway Patrol also will open an investigation into the origin of the report, which linked conservative groups with domestic terrorism and named former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.

The Highway Patrol’s announcement followed a news conference in which Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, a Republican, suggested putting the director of public safety on administrative leave and investigating how the report was produced.

The uproar revolves around a report released last month by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a "fusion center" for local, state and federal law enforcement agencies to collaborate on domestic security issues. The report concerned militia movements in Missouri and across the U.S., and described how they had evolved over the last several years.

Read the full story at KansasCity.com
 

Ektarr

Dedicated Infidel
Where do you think that puts me on the list?

Right here alongside me, Dude. I also believe in a return to the Gold Standard, abolition of all foreign aid to unfriendly/unsupportive governments (I would add "corrupt", but it seems they're ALL corrupt, even this one), term limits for ALL elected officials, and a one-term term limit for the President (that way he doesn't have to worry about doing anything "special" in order to get re-elected). I'd make it 10 years...give him/her ample time to do what he promised to do to get elected...then - win, lose or draw - get the hell out and let the next guy in.

End foreign entanglements. Do business with those with whom you must, but in a fair and equitable way, without tariffs, for just those goods we can't produce ourselves.

Close the borders to anyone who doesn't come in the front door. US Military off foreign soil...they really don't want us there anymore, anyway.

I have more, but it's all a fantasy anyway. The guy with the testicular fortitude to fight this on the National stage is either not born yet or has better things to do. So nobody's going to do sh** about any of this, our Rights are circling the drain, and the best you're going to be able to hope for is that you can go down swinging when the time comes.

And the time IS coming.

One man's opinion...
 
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wolfhunter

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Right here alongside me, Dude. I also believe in a return to the Gold Standard, abolition of all foreign aid to unfriendly/unsupportive governments (I would add "corrupt", but it seems they're ALL corrupt, even this one), term limits for ALL elected officials, and a one-term term limit for the President (that way he doesn't have to worry about doing anything "special" in order to get re-elected). I'd make it 10 years...give him/her ample time to do what he promised to do to get elected...then - win, lose or draw - get the hell out and let the next guy in.

End foreign entanglements. Do business with those with whom you must, but in a fair and equitable way, without tariffs, for just those goods we can't produce ourselves.

Close the borders to anyone who doesn't come in the front door. US Military off foreign soil...they really don't want us there anymore, anyway.

I have more, but it's all a fantasy anyway. The guy with the testicular fortitude to fight this on the National stage is either not born yet or has better things to do. So nobody's going to do sh** about any of this, our Rights are circling the drain, and the best you're going to be able to hope for is that you can go down swinging when the time comes.

And the time IS coming.

One man's opinion...

Sounds like a plan. For now, all we can do is grassroots efforts to get people of this philosophy into sate and local offices.
 

HK4U

New member
Right here alongside me, Dude. I also believe in a return to the Gold Standard, abolition of all foreign aid to unfriendly/unsupportive governments (I would add "corrupt", but it seems they're ALL corrupt, even this one), term limits for ALL elected officials, and a one-term term limit for the President (that way he doesn't have to worry about doing anything "special" in order to get re-elected). I'd make it 10 years...give him/her ample time to do what he promised to do to get elected...then - win, lose or draw - get the hell out and let the next guy in.

End foreign entanglements. Do business with those with whom you must, but in a fair and equitable way, without tariffs, for just those goods we can't produce ourselves.

Close the borders to anyone who doesn't come in the front door. US Military off foreign soil...they really don't want us there anymore, anyway.

I have more, but it's all a fantasy anyway. The guy with the testicular fortitude to fight this on the National stage is either not born yet or has better things to do. So nobody's going to do sh** about any of this, our Rights are circling the drain, and the best you're going to be able to hope for is that you can go down swinging when the time comes.

And the time IS coming.

One man's opinion...

Works for me an while we are at it over turn the federal reserve act and abolish the IRS.
 

OldOwl

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This sums it up.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
~ Samuel Adams, debates of 1776
 

chroode

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Are you mad enough???

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1. America Is Good.

2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the external rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.

3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington

4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson

5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson

6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson

7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington

8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington

9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson
 

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