House Defeats Wall Street Bailout Bill


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House Defeats Wall Street Bailout Bill

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House Defeats Wall Street Bailout Bill
Monday, September 29, 2008

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WASHINGTON — Stocks spiraled downward as much as 685 points on Monday as a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street ended in defeat in the House of Representatives.

House leaders held open the vote as they tried to sway reluctant lawmakers to support the plan, which failed 205-228. Arm-twisting continued even after the vote clock expired. One member, retiring Republican Rep. Jerry Weller, did not vote.

The bill aimed to open up clogged credit lines for financial markets that had come to a near collapse. Sellers continued to shed stocks as the market teetered down more than 450 points after the vote ended.

Representatives worked throughout the weekend to make a bill palatable. Republicans had insisted on a mortgage securities insurance paid by firms who had invested in bad housing loans.

But many lawmakers continued to oppose the plan for a variety of reasons, including the massive price tag that would expand the national debt, and GOP members said constituents were calling 10-1 in opposition to the bill, which had been described as too much government intervention. Of 235 Democrats, 141 supported the legislation. Of 199 Republicans, 132 opposed it.

President Bush argued that jittery U.S. taxpayers will benefit from a number of safeguards that lawmakers wrote into the pending legislation during weekend negotiations on Capitol Hill, including checks and balances on the operation of the program.

But supporters — even Republicans — said they didn't like the bailout but didn't want to play with history or risk an economic collapse.

"I'm not willing to put that bullet in the revolver and spin it. I will take the political risk," said Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., the ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee.

Opponents said part of the reason for the opposition from Republicans was what they termed a partisan speech by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said one GOP source.

"Pelosi's partisan speech has caused our members to go berserk and may cost us any remaining chance to pass the bill," the source said.

Pelosi had said that Congress needed to pass the bill, even though it was an outgrowth of the "failed economic policies" of the last eight years.

"When was the last time someone asked you for $700 billion?" she asked. "It is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies — policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision, and no discipline in the system."

Earlier in the day, Bush used a four-minute speech at the White House to try to assure Americans that the plan is good for the country.

"I'm confident that this rescue plan along with other measures taken by the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve will begin to restore strength and stability to America's financial system and overall economy," Bush said. "And I'm confident in that in long run, America will overcome these challenges and remain the most dynamic and productive economy in the world."

The president spoke shortly after two leading players in the Hill bargaining went on television news shows to urge passage, even as both acknowledged the necessity of this action represents a sad day for the nation.

Asked if the compromise bill indeed will go through Congress, Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., replied: "We hope so."

But the Connecticut senator, chairman of the Banking Committee, also said the bill is not a panacea for all the problems that have bedeviled the U.S. financial markets. He also said, though, that failure to act would spread the contagion of frozen credit markets even further. "This is not just about Wall Street," Dodd said. He said that it's "potentially going to hurt other people across the country."

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., who represented fellow Republicans in the weekend talks, called it a "tourniquet" for the ailing financial industry and slow-moving economy.

The latest assessments of prospects for passage came as investors worldwide and in early trading in the United States continued to show doubt about whether the bill would go through, much less go a long way toward curing the systemic problems that have unnerved financial markets across the globe for weeks.

Bush said the legislation addresses the root cause of the problem — "assets related to home mortgages that have lost value during the housing decline."

And the president noted that under provisions of the pending bill, "the federal government will be authorized to purchase these assets" and said that will help financial institutions to resume lending to individuals and businesses.

"I know many Americans are worried about the cost of the bill," Bush said. But he also said the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and the federal Office of Management and Budget expect that the "ultimate cost to the taxpayer" will be much less.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
I know that I'm staking out an unpopular position, but I would have voted against it too. Our taxes were already being misspent in getting us to this point, so no way should they be used on a gamble that isn't even guaranteed to get us out of this predicament.
 
I know that I'm staking out an unpopular position, but I would have voted against it too. Our taxes were already being misspent in getting us to this point, so no way should they be used on a gamble that isn't even guaranteed to get us out of this predicament.

I'm shocked Tattedupboy, we agree on something. :smile: I also would have voted against it and not because of what Pelosi said.
 

tattedupboy

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I'm shocked Tattedupboy, we agree on something. :smile: I also would have voted against it and not because of what Pelosi said.

Who gives a damn about what Pelosi or any politician, Democrat or Republican, says? I have a mind of my own, and this bailout, just on its own merits, is a nonstarter for me. What we need to learn from this is that the market needs to be left to its own devices, and that companies that make bad decisions need to suffer the consequences, not make bad choices with the knowledge that they'll be rescued.
 

Stiofan

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I have a friend on Wall Street at a major bank, he's loving this right now. He says the bill going down is the best thing that could of happened. He says most in the industry do not want his to happen (those at the top do, those in the trenches do not), what they want is less regulation, as in the regulations requiring banks to loan to those who couldn't afford mortgages to begin with.

You don't fix a problem created by big government by expanding government more. Take our medicine now, things will work out in the long run without the government socialism.
 
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boyzoi

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I was cheering when the bill went in the toilet. now lewts see who really has some balls up on the hill and will name names.
I would love to see the real reasons this mess was created put on the table for all to see. we may even get to impeach a few politicians if that happened.
anyone in the market and in stable areas is of course loving this...........buy low!!!!
Watching Congressman Pence (IN) speak today on local TV was a relief and made me feel that there are some in Washington that actaully do listen to their constituents and act accordinly.Bravo to all those who voted no, now lets get to the truth.
 

sailor

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I realize that Newt Gingrich is not universally loved, but - his discussion tonight seems to point to a totally different, and far more palatable answer to the problem. Two factors being altered will bring in the necessary "liquidity funds": eliminate the "Mark Market" controls (hope I got that right) that force mandatory devaluation of currently sound property/stock/etc.; and eliminate, even if only for a year or so, the Capital Gains tax, as Ireland has done, to their very pleased results. That does not use the taxpayers/treasury to either Bailout, or make insured loans. That also, and maybe even more importantly, does not hand 200, 350 or 700 BILLION DOLLARS to one cabinet member to play with. In fact, it gives him zilch! Well worth debating, but far to logical for the Congress Critters to accept! And even better, Congress does not have to vote on that kind of change - as explained by Newt. Wish I was more finance savvy, but that is what I got from the talk.
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sailor

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But wasn't, and isn't, and is in a heck of a mess. Looking for logical answers to an adult problem, not a political windfall for either side. I still think Newt may have a fresh approach to clean up the current pile of doo-doo. Again, I wish I was more conversant with the upper level finance-talk, but I cannot go for the idea of the Treasury becoming further entrenced in what is supposed to be a Capitalist system - echoing tattedupboy!
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jwtollett21

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It's a miracle. I am against the bailout to. WHat do you know guys we can agree on things. I guess i would have been one of those conservative democrats who voted against it if i was there monday.

I believe The current administration is responsible for this mess in the first place though. They have just let wall street go wild and have not regulated properly.
 

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