House Resolution HR 45 Proposed


ricbak

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Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms
'This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners'
Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms

WEAPONS OF CHOICE
Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms
'This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners'



Posted: January 13, 2009
10:08 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., is hoping to pass a firearm-licensing bill that will significantly rewrite gun-ownership laws in America.
Among the more controversial provisions of the bill are requirements that all handgun owners submit to the federal government a photo, thumb print and mental heath records. Further, the bill would order the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer and owner's address in America.
The bill claims its purpose is "to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of firearms to criminals and youth."

Columnist David Codrea of Guns Magazine, however, calls it a "ridiculous affront to liberty."

"This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners," Codrea writes on Gun Rights Examiner.

Rush's proposed bill, H.R. 45, is alternatively known as "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009," named after an Illinois teenager killed by a gunshot.
According the bill's text, "On the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting."

The bill then argues that interstate firearm trafficking and children dying from gun violence create legitimate cause for the federal government to monitor gun ownership and transfers in new ways.

If passed, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" – defined as any handgun or any semiautomatic firearm that takes an ammunition clip – without a "Blair Holt" license.

To obtain a "Blair Holt" license, an application must be made that includes a photo, address, all previous aliases, thumb print, completion of a written firearm safety test, release of mental health records to the attorney general and a fee not to exceed $25.

Further, the bill makes it illegal to transfer ownership of a qualifying firearm to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector. Exceptions to this rule include transfer to family members by gift or bequest and loans, not to exceed 30 days, of a firearm for lawful purposes "between persons who are personally known to each other."

The bill also requires qualifying firearm owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours or fail to report a change of address within 60 days.

And if a minor obtains a weapon and injures someone with it, the owner of the gun – if deemed to have failed to meet certain safety requirements – faces a multiple-year jail sentence.

H.R. 45 is a resurfacing of 2007's H.R. 2666, which contained much of the same language and was co-sponsored by 15 other representatives and Barack Obama's current chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel. H.R. 2666 was assigned to the House Judiciary committee, where no action was taken.

H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors and is likewise assigned to the House Judiciary committee.
 

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Glockster20

Clinging to God and guns
More liberal anti-gun legislation.... The dems declared war on gun owners long ago. It is just now heating up since BO is the President Elect. More reason to join NRA, GOA, etc... Also, keep writing your state senators and house reps asking them to oppose any legislation that would infringe on our 2A rights!!!
 
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gpbarth

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And so it begins...

Know your government representatives, and let all of them know you oppose this resolution. We all have to make a stand now, or we'll be making a more sacrificial stand later.
 

HK4U

New member
They want to know where the guns are so when they get ready for house to house searches they will be ready.
 

AllAmerican

New member
Ive already contacted mine on this and on HR17 which is a good bill. Im betting my legislators will be knowing me by name soon enough as Ive written about every other day. LOL
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Less than five years ago, I would have siad that this bill had no chance in h*ll of passing. However, with expanded Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate and Obama in the White House, I'm not so sure. The only thing that provides some measure of comfort for me is that there won't be 60 Democrats in the Senate to stop the filibuster that Republicans are almost certain to wage against this bill.
 

jwtollett21

New member
hopefully this bill will fail. It will not keep guns out of the wrong peoples hands. It will just be a headache for us law abiding citizens
 

boris

New member
last i heard

this bill had no sponsors. but we need to be on watch always for this kind of nitwittery.
 

Tea For One

New member
They want to know where the guns are so when they get ready for house to house searches they will be ready.
Absolutely. N. Sarkozy of France (and EU President), G. Brown of England, and our beloved Obama are all talking about New Workld Order, Global Governance, One World Government, etc. The only way to do this is to first get complete governmental control of all peoples. This cannot happen until the 2nd Amendment is destroyed, so beware of any attempt to attack it.

jonathan
 
If Obama is really as anti gun as they say he is. Then i see him coming after the NRA and GOA with the full force of the US GOV. The few things the are yet to be answered is,(1) Will the US people really sit back and watch/let this happen. (2) What will they go after when all the guns are banned.gone? (3) Will we be looking at another Revolution/ Civil war? (4) If so what side will you be on? (5) Will the Minuteman/Sons of Liberty Be ready when they hear the call to arms? (6) LOL will they still have any arms to pick up?

Here is a song by "John Dickinson 1768" called "The Liberty Song"

Come, join hand in hand, brave Americans all,
And rouse your bold hearts at fair Liberty's call;
No tyrannous acts shall suppress your just claim,
Or stain with dishonor America's name.

Chorus:
In Freedom we're born and in Freedom we'll live.
Our purses are ready. Steady, friends, steady;
Not as slaves, but as Freemen our money we'll give.

Our worthy forefathers, let's give them a cheer,
To climates unknown did courageously steer;
Thro' oceans to deserts for Freedom they came,
And dying, bequeath'd us their freedom and fame.

Chorus

The tree their own hands had to Liberty rear'd,
They lived to behold growing strong and revered;
With transport they cried, Now our wishes we gain,
For our children shall gather the fruits of our pain.

Chorus

Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all,
By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall;
In so righteous a cause let us hope to succeed,
For heaven approves of each generous deed

It just seems to fit.
 
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gpbarth

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All my letters and e-mails are out, too. And it's in the Declaration of Independence that we are obliged to alter or abolish any government when it starts to tear apart our freedoms (see my sig).

Here's the entire paragraph:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
People tell me all the time that this is idiotic, that the military would quickly suppress any uprising. But they do not consider that the military is historically for our freedoms, not against them. If the time ever comes when we have to fight for our freedom from within, I suspect that a lot of the military will be fighting for us and not against us. And also remember, the 2nd Amendment hasn't been butchered YET. Get out there and prepare yourselves before it's too late.
 

Tea For One

New member
Sample Letter to DEFEAT H.R. 45- Mail Out ASAP!!!

Here is a sample letter I urge you all to copy, modify to make it personal, and then send to all your elected state Senators and Representatives. It will take a FLOOD of such letters to sway some of them, but a grass-roots effort will be required to defeat H.R. 45. Get writing, we haven't much time.



joq







Example:

The Honorable Patrick McHenry

United States House of Representatives

224 Cannon House Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20515-3310



Dear Representative:

I am writing to bring to your attention my concerns regarding H.R. 45, Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009.

H.R. 45 would require a license for handguns and semiautomatics, including those currently possessed.



Representative McHenry, all firearms purchases from federally licensed dealers (FFLs) currently require a background check and completion of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) form 4437. In addition, all handgun purchases require a handgun permit issued by a citizen’s Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO). This in itself requires a waiting period and a thorough background check. These background checks include mental health background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The current system is appropriate and necessary, and no further licensing is required, particularly for older firearms, such as the .22 squirrel rifle I inherited from my deceased great-uncle when I was a child.



H.R. 45 requires the applicant to be thumbprinted and sign a certification that, effectively, the firearm will not be kept in a place where it would be available for the defense of the gun owner’s family.



Fingerprinting is unnecessary, because BATFE will already have a record of a citizen’s personal information due to the background check and form 4437. In addition, the Second Amendment gives “the people” of America the right to keep and bear arms, and the Government should not prohibit law-abiding citizens from being able to use firearms in their own homes to defend themselves and their families.





The applicant must also make available ALL of his psychiatric records, pass an exam, and pay a fee of up to $25.



Many United States citizens are, or have been, under medical treatment for various psychiatric conditions, such as depression or anxiety. This does not mean they are unfit to safely and legally possess a firearm. Both the CLEO handgun permit application and BATFE form 4437 specifically check for whether an applicant has ever been adjudicated mentally defective or been committed to a mental institution. All involuntary mental institution commitments (in which a person is medically determined to be a danger to himself or to others) result in a person being listed with NICS, and thus those individuals automatically fail the current background checks and cannot purchase firearms . This is as it should be, and the current system is already adequate to prevent these people from purchasing firearms. No further disclosure of confidential, psychiatric records is necessary.



The license may be renewed after five years and may be revoked.



Once a person has passed the necessary background checks, why should their right to keep their firearms be jeopardized, and why should they have to pay additional money to maintain those firearms? This amounts to an unfair, additional tax, and citizens already pay sales tax on firearms when they purchase them.



Private sales would be outlawed, and reports to the attorney general of all transactions would be required, even when, as the bill allows, the AG determines that a state licensing system is sufficiently draconian to substitute for the federal license. With virtually no exceptions, ALL firearms transactions (involving semiautos, handguns, long guns, etc.) would be subject to a Brady check.



Firearms sales are, again, already subject to a thorough and appropriate background check.



In addition, the bill would make it unlawful in nearly all cases to keep any loaded firearm for self-defense.



Again, this directly conflicts with the Second Amendment, which states that the rights of the people to keep and bear arms “shall not be infringed.”



A variety of “crimes by omission” (such as failure to report certain things) would be created. Criminal penalties of up to ten years and almost unlimited regulatory and inspection authority would be established.



This Bill would effectively treat law-abiding citizens like criminals. Criminals are the ones upon whom the full regulatory force of the United States Government should fall, not law-abiding citizens.



Representative McHenry, it is important to me to inform you of my feelings regarding H.R. 45. I ask for your kind attention and consideration in this matter. As an active member of my church and community, and as a member of the National Rifle Association, I am counting upon you to stand up for the rights of decent, law-abiding citizens.



Thank you kindly for your time.





Sincerely Yours,
 

Canis-Lupus

New member
H.R. 45: Addressing the Total $$$ Impact.

H.R. 45 is an obvious way to make legal gun ownership almost impossible, and useless for self protection, or recreation/hunting just as untenable. So to get the attention of your representative in Congress or the Senate, it may pack more of a punch if communication with them outlined the following, every politicians favorite subject: MONEY, future votes, campaign funding, kick-backs and lucrative contracts!
Lets take a look at what HR 45 will do if it becomes law.
1. Millions of jobs lost in the U.S. gun manufacture companies, sales (domestic and exports), ranges closed, and taxes unpaid by manufacturers (who buy raw materials to make all the products involved in the civilian weapons market), the vendors (closed), the clubs/ranges closed and users now criminalized. A ex-gun owner does not work hard all day paying taxes or voting inside a prison, which would require more hiring/training more guards/admin staff & ancillary staff plus building more jails to lock up more millions. Any idea how much it costs just to keep one person incarcerated for a year? Multiply that by millions more. Who pays? The state that locks 'em up or the feds who do it. Where does that money come from? Health care, education, infrastructure upkeep or expansion, and all the other things that keep any state or the feds from working & fighting wars.
2. The rise in prison population that would increase with non-compliance, meaning more prisons built, skilled/educated people rotting in jails.
3. The cost of untold millions of bankrupt gun owners, foreclosed homes, repo-ed assets, and much more unemployment.
4. The sheer magnitude of loss in exports of U.S. made weapons for non-military use, to any nation who uses our weapons for their police forces, and that is a HUGE market.
5. The effect that the loss of hundreds of millions/billions of dollars spent on the whole domestic weapons industry from making to selling them would weaken our economy even further.
6. The cost of law enforcement and judicial actions for those who were arrested/jailed for illegal (any?) gun ownership.
Moaning about what it does to a single person, or even a group of people is easy to dismiss as trivial, presenting what disarming America will do to the financial big-picture, the economy (already hurting) gets raised eye-brows and frowns in DC and in every state capitol political HQ's.
Those figures that go into the negative hi-end billion$ DO get diplomats attention especially if it effects their chances of keeping their plush/powerful jobs and fancy mansions.
When an elected rep sees that nation-wide the socio-economic impact of rushing into the arms of the Brady Bunch could equal what a major bank (like Bank of America) folding would do to an economy already in recession, or how it would affect the voters in their constituencies, then how many sponsors or "Yes" votes will Holt get from both GOP's and Democrats alike?
I wish I had the figures but someone out there could work the numbers and present it in jobs and money lost that closes another huge American manufacturing industry, sales industry and end user enforcement this HR would co$t. The idea that taking guns away from hundreds of millions of legal law abiding folks stops crimes is falling on deaf ears in the Brady Bunch, but when those same rich lobbyists find their quality of life takes a nose-dive when our GNP falls because we lose yet another major industry, millions of jobs, increase our prison population beyond capacity, and the tens of billions in cash this HR-45 would cause, they may not be so adamant about driving themselves to work in a broken-down Honda Civic versus being chauffeured in a limo by their staff and surrounded by fancy trappings & servants. Maybe this needs to go to a cost analyst who could show why the minor damage (in financial terms) done by unlawful use of guns per year pales in economic disaster to lost jobs, repo-ed and broken institutions from the gun makers/vendors, ranges & livelihoods of the skilled mechanics/craftsmen who make them, the stores who sell them, the ranges that are in every major town/city in the USA, to the sportsman or law abiding gun owners if they all rush into taking our 2nd away. If any patron could crunch the numbers or has faster access to doing the math than me, feel free to slap up an estimate onto this post. A realistic one would be useful, 'billions' means little, $250,000,000,000 gets attention on a letter or e-mail to your reps. Feel free to send this to anyone who could put a dollar value on this one HR. Stick your name on it and e-mail it to any pro-2nd (got a lot to lose) person, company, organization or society. I plan on shooting it off to plenty who may see that H.R. 45 (Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009) as changes even Obama may not want to be an incentive to force onto the voters who just elected him into office with promises of better times ahead if we work hard together.

Canis-Lupus
 

Stiofan

New member
This part of the actual bill is the bottom line.....the feds will take over gun regulation nationwide.

(2) it is in the national interest and within the role of the Federal Government to ensure that the regulation of firearms is uniform among the States, that law enforcement can quickly and effectively trace firearms used in crime, and that firearms owners know how to use and safely store their firearms.
Here's the actual bill. Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

If the feds take over regulation, our state constitutions will become moot.
 

Canis-Lupus

New member
Good 4 them!

Yo Stiofan,
You are right, and it is the feds who stand to lose the the most if the multi-billion dollar gun industry folds because meeting that unrealistic goal is not practical/possible & they know that, it is banning guns cloaked in a safety HR. Thinking outside the box is the message they need to absorb, cost to law/HR 45 enforcement, shut down gun everything, all the factors I already outlined and lose billions, add millions unemployed put on the dole and up the prison pop. Or let it be and it costs a whole lot less + generates jobs, sales, taxe$ and so much more. Out of this thread as it seems the feds will do whatever they deem lawful and singing: 'God Save the Queen' on my way out. U.K. gun-free stinking-thinking. :frown:

C-L
 

boris

New member
perhaps....

it is tmefor Texas to load te cannons like Col. W.B. Travis. maybe we should succede from the union.
 

Tex4oc

Patriot 1st
The Canadian gun registration program that was supposed to cost about $5 million wound up costing over a billion and their gun ownership is what small percentage of ours?
 

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