How close the Illinios thing came to Obama


festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
I know this to be true as this is how they do business in Chicago ( in Italian means I am going to poop on you )







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> This should be mandatory reading for ALL Americans!!! NOT!
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>> This was written by Dan Westerbeck, retired lawyer from Chicago, former quarterback at Ohio State U, and all around good guy.
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>> Fellow Citizens,
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>> Since most of you do not understand the "Chicago way" of doing things and come from places that are, relatively speaking governed by elections,
you may need an interpreter for news from Chicago, especially about Cook County politics. That's why I'm here.

You may think today's story is about the crooked Illinois Governor selling Obama's Senate seat. What you don't know is how the Bush Justice
Dept. probably steered Obama away from disaster even before taking office . Here's how the pieces of the puzzle fit, based on the known
facts as well as those alleged in the Criminal Complaint, my knowledge of Federal criminal case management and protocols, and some deductive reasoning.

ACT I

As you know by now, the beloved Governor of Illinois was arrested for, among other things, attempting to auction off Obama's US Senate seat.
The Federal Criminal Complaint (three pages backed up by a 76 page FBI affidavit) states that Gov. Blagoyovich (Blago) was attempting to set
conditions for filling that seat with the Obama transition team. This implies a certain level of communication between Blago and Obama or
their staffs, although the Complaint does not specifically state that (you'll see why not). David Axelrod, Obama's chief political strategist
(from Cook County) said two weeks ago that he, Obama, and the Obama team had been in *constant* contact with Blago and his staff about filling the seat and had liked a number of the candidates mentioned. (He obviously hadn't gotten the word then.)

Today, Obama himself denied having anything to do with naming his successor; denied having any communications with Blago, and generally
felt sorry about everything. Now the press will ignore Axelrod, accept Obama's statement, shift the spotlight to Blago, and search for the
other conspirators, including who was willing to pay for the Senate seat. End of story for Obama; just another corrupt Cook County scam
miraculously not involving Obama in any way. Yawn...

But let me tell you what really went down and how the nation just averted a Constitutional crisis. Three critical facts must be noted.


First, the Illinois Governor appoints people to vacant US Senate seats.

Second, the Feds have wiretapped Blago off and on since 2004 in their "Pay to Play" investigation. (You had to pay him money in order to play--bid for state contracts to manage money, pave roads, supply linens, etc....[That's the Chicago way.]) He is destined for a federal penitentiary because the tapes have been rolling for FIVE years now. A number of his cronies have been indicted and convicted on the basis of the wiretaps.

Third, and most important, Blago's offices have been bugged by the Feds for the past 4-6 weeks, possibly longer--that's around election time for you senior citizens. (The Feds probably detected sufficient evidence of a criminal conspiracy on the wiretaps and through informants, such that they could plant the bugs in Blago's offices.) Obama's hand picked successor for his Senate seat was Valerie Jarrett who is on his campaign staff. This was well known before the election and Ms. Jarrett had even announced her candidacy. She was a slam dunk.
The ONLY question on the table after the election was what price Blago would extract from Obama for appointing Ms. Jarrett--appointing Blago as ambassador to Lithuainia, naming him Secy. of Transportation, some Democrat party post, establishing a library and foundation a la Bill Clinton, whatever.

Blago was constantly talking on the tapes of his need for more cash and how the "f--king Senate seat was worth a lot of money" (per the Federal complaint).


ACT II

The US Attorney here, Patrick Fitzgerald, is fearless and has jailed Republicans (former Governor Geo. Ryan) and Democrats alike. Some guys on Richie Daley's staff are doing time for the same thing--taking bribes (sometimes described as campaign contributions).
Ironically Blago was elected as a reformer and a break from the George Ryan school of corruption. In any event, Fitzgerald has kept the Justice Dept. fully informed of all the Blago investigations, wiretaps, bugs, etc., and where they were headed since he needed their approval (as well as a court's) to run them. It is a certainty that the Attorney General knew of the Blago investigation because the target was the Governor of a
state (very high profile). Once Obama was elected, Fitzgerald and the Attorney General saw what was coming--a Blago-Obama negotiation over the Senate seat. Given what they knew about the corrupt process Blago was engaged in through their taping/bugging, such a negotiation would be disastrous politically for Obama and possibly even criminal. Those tapes will have to be played in court some day. (That may be why Obama looked a little rattled today in announcing his total absence of knowledge and communication on the entire subject of his successor.)

After the election Obama and his staff began to get briefings as part of the transition process. It is likely that the Attorney General informed him of the ongoing investigations of Blago and of the wiretaps and bugs. Obama got the clue, but perhaps forgot to tell Axelrod. But he did tell Valerie Jarrettt something because four weeks ago she withdrew her name from consideration for the Obama Senate seat.

Normally in a Federal conspiracy prosecution you let the tapes roll and the conspiracy play out in order to catch all the big fish. (I was a
Federal prosecutor in my distant past.) Remember, the Feds have wiretapped Blago since 2004, per previous testimony in court. Once you
get one of the conspirators to wire up, as the Feds did here, you let him meet and talk to everybody...weeks, months, years even.
However, since they already had the Governor nailed, the only bigger fish left in the pond were Obama and his staff. And listening to Blago
on the tapes they knew where he was headed--right to Obama to get his price for the Senate seat. So after the election, as Patrick Fitzgerald and the Attorney General pondered this, their choice was stark:

1) Do we follow the normal protocol and let the tapes roll and may be reel in Obama staffers (or, God forbid, Obama himself) bargaining with Blago in the US Senate seat auction; or,

2) Do we tip Obama in a briefing and abruptly terminate the investigation at the Governor's level and thus preclude it from reaching Obama and his staff...?

I think they made a political and legal calculation in the nation's interest and chose the latter course. They saved Obama, or certainly his
staff, from the taint of the criminal action and also prevented the sale of a US Senate seat by a corrupt Cook County Democrat politician by
arresting Blago today.

That's why Obama has been saying for weeks that he himself has nothing to do with the selection of his successor. Although such a position is contrary to common sense and political tradition, in this case, he's probably telling the truth at least insofar as the past month is concerned.
So Obama now owes the Justice Dept. and US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, in particular, a big one because he kept the President-elect from
stepping in to a first-rate criminal scandal by tipping him on the Blago wiretaps and bugs. And the Bush Attorney General and US Attorney
Fitzgerald probably saved the country a huge new scandal as well, since Obama's team would have been further ensnared in a federal criminal
investigation after inauguration.

ACT III

What job does Patrick Fitzgerald want since Obama owes him big time--Pope, Federal judge (even Supreme Court), Ambassador to Ireland,
Attorney General (Eric Holder may not make it anyway because of the Marc Rich pardon and Obama would throw him over in a minute if Fitzgerald asked for it). We shall see, but the Cook County Democrat Machine certainly wants to be rid of Fitzgerald and the only way to do that is kill him (that went out with Capone) or promote him. Unfortunately for them, Fitzgerald professes to like his current job. And there is no way Obama asks for his resignation now or appoints a new US attorney unless Fitzpatrick wants to go. So you see, things are never quite what they seem to be here in Chi-town.

You thought this was all about a lone crooked Cook County politician who became Governor...That's where the press will be headed because it will be entertaining. But now you know the likely story of how close we came to having a Federal criminal case swirling around a new President.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Crook County (oops, I meant Cook) politics has a long and sordid history, as do most other big cities east of the Mississippi River (ie., NYC, Boston, Washington, D.C., etc). Unfortunately Blago isn't the first corrupt politician to come out of that cesspool, and he certainly won't be the last.
 
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gpbarth

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Obama was part of the process, and it is only his "bullet-proof armor" people around him who are shielding him from the damage. Obama will never get touched by all of this, and Blagojevich will take the bullet gladly, since that's the kind of guy he is. He'll never admit anything and will go down swearing he never did anything wrong, because in Chicago, truth is relative, and Blagojevich's truth is all he cares about.

Without turning this into a rant, I will only say that those who elected Obama are now going to have to live with him, and a lot of those people voted with their eyes (and their minds) tightly closed. Methinks they are going to be sadly disappointed in their new savior.
 

ricbak

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Fact or Urban Legend?

I took a quick look around and can not verify this as true or urban legend. Google did return 7k hits...
 

HK4U

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There is no doubt in my mind that he is dirty. The powers that are really pulling the strings will protect him as long as he plays ball.
 
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Shoots Running

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When we don't "care about sources" we make ourselves just like our enemies who lie and cheat and fabricate in pursuit of their agenda.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
There is no doubt in my mind that he is dirty. The powers that are really pulling the strings will protect him as long as he plays ball.

Pretty much the same thing that has been going on with Bush for the past eight years.
 

DocBoCook

Not Negotiable, A Right
When we don't "care about sources" we make ourselves just like our enemies who lie and cheat and fabricate in pursuit of their agenda.

as in I don't need to hear them, as long as they appear in front of a grand jury and point at the perpetrator.:butcher:
 

Shoots Running

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as in I don't need to hear them...

Well, I guess my background as a historian has corrupted me completely. I need actual, real sources to function intelligently, and "usually reliable," and "that's the way it works," and "I don't need 'em" don't seem to be reliable guides to me. Probably my fault.

We're going to be under a lot of scrutiny in the months ahead. I believe we need to raise the bar on our credibility and our honesty in the arguments that we are sure to be involved in. The Brady bunch and their despicable ilk do not hesitate to lie, distort, and fabricate about the Second Amendment. To win, we are going to have to hew a more honest line.

The responses I quoted above do not cut it. And they will make us look like idiots to our opponents.

Sorry, but that's the truth of it.
 

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
Credibility...follow the bouncing ball

Follow the bouncing ball
1. 2002 Obama helps Blagovich get elected by campaigning for him.
2. Blagovich moves from Congressman to Gov. of Ill.
3. Emmanuel Rahm takes Blago's Congressional seat with a little help from Obama
4. Emmanual Rahm is appointed as Obama's Chief of staff (COS).
5. Blagovich tries to sell Obama's Senate seat to the highest bidder
6. Blagovich is arrested on Federal Charges for corruption
7. Emmanual Rahm is facing a nice little talk with a Grand Jury
8. If he takes the fifth he will likely lose his COS appt.
9. Blagovich will say whatever it takes to not be bubba's best girl in Joliet
10. This ain't gonna be pretty for Obama, his cabinet and the DNC
11. The transitioning President is brought up to speed on Govt. affairs
12. He is able to sidestep legal issues by focusing blame on Blago
13. Blago places Burris as Senator
14. Dems play the race card to assure confirmation
15. Obama slides away from chaos by using Burris and Blago as smoke screens.
 

DocBoCook

Not Negotiable, A Right
Well, I guess my background as a historian has corrupted me completely. I need actual, real sources to function intelligently, and "usually reliable," and "that's the way it works," and "I don't need 'em" don't seem to be reliable guides to me. Probably my fault.

We're going to be under a lot of scrutiny in the months ahead. I believe we need to raise the bar on our credibility and our honesty in the arguments that we are sure to be involved in. The Brady bunch and their despicable ilk do not hesitate to lie, distort, and fabricate about the Second Amendment. To win, we are going to have to hew a more honest line.

The responses I quoted above do not cut it. And they will make us look like idiots to our opponents.

Sorry, but that's the truth of it.

You are taking part, but not all of what I am saying. As long as the Investigating Commitee hears it, I'm ok as long as it's investigated
 

Shoots Running

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No, DBC, I am hearing everything you are saying. Loud and clear and in spades. You are saying that you are willing to leave it to some governmental body to make up your mind for you. That's not good enough for me. I want to know the facts, the sources, the backgrounds MYSELF. I guess the difference is that you trust government agencies and appointees to make the decisions, and I don't.

As 2A people we are going to have to do this ourselves and not leave it to others, who have, after all, not proven to be all that reliable tin the past.
 

DocBoCook

Not Negotiable, A Right
No, my mind is made up, but I cannot by law do what I want to do (just like they by law of the Bill of Rights can't do what they want.) I'm saying it needs to come to light infront of us on CSPAN, not just talked about on a message board. When's the last time a Message forum thread changed the world?
 

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