If you swore one of these Oaths...


festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

If you swore one of these Oaths...

Man up and take a stand. It's not just about 2A anymore. We need to be active and heard in every facet of government. The Liberals have used the squeaky wheel syndrome to push a lot of their crap through the system and it worked. It is time for us to do the same. Make some noise about our agendas and when we don't get our way we make even more noise until they shut us up by enacting legislation favorable to us.

We need to rethink our tactics and strategies to match the current mindset on Capital Hill. If we know our enemy we shall never be defeated. (Tsun Zsu)
 

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wolfhunter

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If we don't stand up now, what will the United States become?
 

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
Good to see you still around

Yup, swore that oath about every 3-4 years of my life for 20 years, taught it to all the butter-bars who were "appointed over me" (some 1/2 my age by the time I was ready to retire), part of any good Non-Com's duties, but I don't think I can get away with 'per the UCMJ part' any more as a Vet, laws I am no longer subject to, but in 1991 I took this oath and it binds me for life, so I guess I was swearing my ass away to Uncle Sam as a soldier and later an immigrant who parroted these words to ex-President Gerald Ford in an packed arena in Denver, CO with about 500 other green-carders, about 10% of us in uniform just like I was.
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Thanks for reminding me, for some who came here those words mean nothing once they walk away a citizen, for others we hold them so dear as the 5 year long trek of legal, hardworking, and honest toil to get to that point is a testimony to how much we want what many in this nation take for granted and stop swearing anything after a pledge (not a binding oath per-say) of allegiance after high school. Throughout 20 years in the Army I found it common in so many units that many the very best officers (who became citizens B 4 entering service/OCS/ROTC) many NCO's or soldiers who really shone were like me, not home-grown. Fiercely patriotic to the new nation who gave them a much better chance at life and freedoms we never had in our original places of birth.

Canis-Lupus
Glad you are here and not on the VA extended stay bed and breakfast plan.
 
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gpbarth

Guest
Read the Declaration of Independence. One of the most important "declarations" there says:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now, this tells me that if our govenrment ceases to be "of, by and for the people," we have the right, authority and obligation to change it. And as a lot of government officials also take an oath (Obama will at his inauguration) to defend the Constitution, and obviously do not take that oath seriously, it is the people who will eventually need to make this country succeed. And survive. Time for a new patriotism, gentlemen!
 
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Glockster20

Clinging to God and guns
Read the Declaration of Independence. One of the most important "declarations" there says:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now, this tells me that if our govenrment ceases to be "of, by and for the people," we have the right, authority and obligation to change it. And as a lot of government officials also take an oath (Obama will at his inauguration) to defend the Constitution, and obviously do not take that oath seriously, it is the people who will eventually need to make this country succeed. And survive. Time for a new patriotism, gentlemen!
Count me in!!
 

squisher

New member
Read the Declaration of Independence. One of the most important "declarations" there says:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now, this tells me that if our govenrment ceases to be "of, by and for the people," we have the right, authority and obligation to change it. And as a lot of government officials also take an oath (Obama will at his inauguration) to defend the Constitution, and obviously do not take that oath seriously, it is the people who will eventually need to make this country succeed. And survive. Time for a new patriotism, gentlemen!
Name the date, time and place. I will be there.
 
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gpbarth

Guest
I love Mel Brooks, and especially Young Frnakenstein. And one of the best lines from that movie, from Inspector Kemp, would be very apropos for the new "movement":

A riot is an ugly thing...and I think it's about time we had one!
 
Yup, swore that oath about every 3-4 years of my life for 20 years, taught it to all the butter-bars who were "appointed over me" (some 1/2 my age by the time I was ready to retire), part of any good Non-Com's duties, but I don't think I can get away with 'per the UCMJ part' any more as a Vet, laws I am no longer subject to, but in 1991 I took this oath and it binds me for life, so I guess I was swearing my ass away to Uncle Sam as a soldier and later an immigrant who parroted these words to ex-President Gerald Ford in an packed arena in Denver, CO with about 500 other green-carders, about 10% of us in uniform just like I was.
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Thanks for reminding me, for some who came here those words mean nothing once they walk away a citizen, for others we hold them so dear as the 5 year long trek of legal, hardworking, and honest toil to get to that point is a testimony to how much we want what many in this nation take for granted and stop swearing anything after a pledge (not a binding oath per-say) of allegiance after high school. Throughout 20 years in the Army I found it common in so many units that many the very best officers (who became citizens B 4 entering service/OCS/ROTC) many NCO's or soldiers who really shone were like me, not home-grown. Fiercely patriotic to the new nation who gave them a much better chance at life and freedoms we never had in our original places of birth.

Canis-Lupus
Well to you Sir I say this --- I am sorry for my comment several weeks ago about you being one beer short of a six pack and that you should go to the VA.. I am a 27 year Navy Vet ( Hospital Corpsman) married to a 10 year Navy vet who is British (she is now a U.S.) She took the same oath and feels the same way you do. I say to you Sir "thanks for your service and thanks for being one of us".. Have a great day and again "Thank you"
 

HK4U

New member
No probs Doc,
That thread is still HOT, and you have to do a whole lot more than tell me to go to V.A., I know I am unbalanced, Good God man, I lead Vets and Guns, probably on every watch-list in the USA! And maybe a few fatwahs too!
Cheers! :wink:

C-L
Heck Canis I am sure by the Marxist, socialistic, one world order elitist way of thinking just about all of us patriotic, freedom loving, gun toting Americans which I dare say most of use on this site are, would be unbalanced. So in that regard I guess we are all in good company.
 

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
Balanced???

Heck Canis I am sure by the Marxist, socialistic, one world order elitist way of thinking just about all of us patriotic, freedom loving, gun toting Americans which I dare say most of use on this site are, would be unbalanced. So in that regard I guess we are all in good company.
I'm supposed to be balanced???

You just cant go changing the rules on me like that.

I'll be "RIGHT" over here if you need me.
 

wuzfuz

New member
If you swore

I swore a modification of the oaths shown when I was sworn in as a deputy sheriff. While I am no longer active in law enforcement, I still hold that oath above all others execpt my marriage vows. You may count on me when and if needed.
 
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boyzoi

Guest
Heck Canis I am sure by the Marxist, socialistic, one world order elitist way of thinking just about all of us patriotic, freedom loving, gun toting Americans which I dare say most of use on this site are, would be unbalanced. So in that regard I guess we are all in good company.
I'm a bit offended by this talk of being un-balanced............I may be a lil nuts..........but un-balanced:crazy_pilot:
catch me if you can..:lol:
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
I'm a bit offended by this talk of being un-balanced............I may be a lil nuts..........but un-balanced:crazy_pilot:
catch me if you can..:lol:
Hey! I resemble that remark. Super glue and bubble gum are the only things keeping me from falling off the edge of the right wing. I'm hanging on by my fingernails. :jester:
 

Husky Girl

New member
Read the Declaration of Independence. One of the most important "declarations" there says:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now, this tells me that if our govenrment ceases to be "of, by and for the people," we have the right, authority and obligation to change it. And as a lot of government officials also take an oath (Obama will at his inauguration) to defend the Constitution, and obviously do not take that oath seriously, it is the people who will eventually need to make this country succeed. And survive. Time for a new patriotism, gentlemen!
I'm probably going to get kicked off the forum for this, but in reading this post, I found it errily similar to William Ayers argument in favor of the Weather Underground's bombings of federal buildings in 1969. Ayers, often called a terrorist for his actions in protest to the Vietnam war, has argued that the government stops listening to the people, it is the responsibility of the people to change the government. In 1969, he used this arguement to justify bombing public buildings to "get the government's attention" after civil disobediance didn't work.

The only reason I bring this up is as a word of caution - when we move too far left or too far right, we end up in the same place.
 

HK4U

New member
I went back and read the posts again. Perhaps I can not read so well but I did not see anything about blowing anything or anybody up.
 
I went back and read the posts again. Perhaps I can not read so well but I did not see anything about blowing anything or anybody up.

HK, she won't understand you because your post wasn't preceeded by the words "Point of clarification". :wink:



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Husky Girl

New member
I didn't mean that anyone here was advocating blowing anything/one up (at least I really hope not), I was just struck by the similarily in arguement. Ayers was a terrorist, and I certainly don't condone his actions, but I thought it was interesting that his justification for his actions (even though they were wrong) was that the government was no longer listening to the will of the people. According to Ayers (I haven't personally looked up these statistics) something like 80% of the population in 1969 was opposed to the war in Vietnam. He claimed the government was no longer reflecting the will of the people, so "it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government." He claimed by using bombs, the Weather Underground was forcing the government to pay attention to the will of the people. I believe in one statment he even used the famous Jefferson quote about how the "tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots" (or something like that - I'm not sure of the exact quote).

I only wanted to comment because I thought it was interesting that Ayers and his followers considered themselves patriots, as I imagine many people on this forum would consider themselves. Many people on this forum have also argued that when the government no longer represents the people, we have a right, if not a duty, to change the government. A few of the posts illustrating this philosophy are,

"If we don't stand up now, what will the United States become?"
 
Well, they haven't kicked me off yet. No shortage of snide remarks and name-calling, though.
Thanks for backing me up.
Who's gonna kick you off? You're free to post what you like, as long is it's witin the rules of the forum. Look at that "JWtoilett" character. He's still posting, and has yet to post a ligitamate gun related post, or start a gun related thread.

As far off your rocker as I think you are, unless you post something that grossly violates the forum rules, you're not going to get "kicked off". Only person I can recall that was actually "kicked off" was "LiquidG". He would post racist and other very nasty comments which were designed to incite a nasty response. None of your posts seem to be intentionally aimed at upsetting anyone, though a few of them have caused me to respond accordingly.

No need to play the "marter" role here. Most of us are big boys and girls :wink: We can have a mature discussion. I don't mind folks calling me names, etc. I give it right back to them. We're all entitled to our opinions. We all believe in our 2A rights (or at least should), so it shouldn't be so shocking that we support folks exercising their 1A rights as well.



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