KATRINA Victims that had Guns taken/stolen by Gov.


Alaskan

New member
I can't see how those poor people gave up their guns!
They were stuck in what used to be their home that Katrina turned into a swimming pool.
Then People in Government uniforms come by not to offer help or food and water,
but to take their guns like they were CRIMINALS.
They had NOTHING to lose and were being robbed by the DUMB POLICE!
I hope that never happens again! :cool:
 

Cavalry Doc

Cavalry Doc
I've been watching this story since the beginning. I deployed with 1st Cavalry Division to New Orleans. The 1st Cav and 82nd Airborne refused to take part in any forced evacuations or weapons confiscations. (posse comitatus and the 2nd Amendment were cited)


I do have one big problem with the NRA's approach to this, there should have been some form of damages given to people that had their guns confiscated. The images of guns rusted beyond repair graced the pages of the NRA's magazines, but I did not see any agreement to pay people for the property that the city of New Orleans destroyed.
 

Cooter

Liberty or Death
I commend any and all service men and women who refused to take part in that disgrace. Thank you for your patriotism, Calvary Doc.:thank_you2:
 

Cavalry Doc

Cavalry Doc
I commend any and all service men and women who refused to take part in that disgrace. Thank you for your patriotism, Calvary Doc.:thank_you2:

Absolutely my pleasure.


I'm a civilian now, and want to avoid having my own guns taken. Punitive damages, or at least replacement costs would have gone a long way to preventing this in the future.

I applaud the NRA for seeking legislation preventing agencies from confiscating guns in times of crisis. They are making up for lost time.

The NRA is not perfect, but is still listed in my "friend" column.
 

krazyk

New member
Absolutely my pleasure.


I'm a civilian now, and want to avoid having my own guns taken. Punitive damages, or at least replacement costs would have gone a long way to preventing this in the future.

I applaud the NRA for seeking legislation preventing agencies from confiscating guns in times of crisis. They are making up for lost time.

The NRA is not perfect, but is still listed in my "friend" column.

praise peaple like you
 

maybejim

Maybejim
I am still amazed some good old boy redneck didn't take offense to the demand and refuse. Of course it's kind of hard when they come busting in with AR15's pointed and on their shoulders but I'm still surprised no one resisted.
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
I am still amazed some good old boy redneck didn't take offense to the demand and refuse. Of course it's kind of hard when they come busting in with AR15's pointed and on their shoulders but I'm still surprised no one resisted.
Nonviolent resistance would probably be called for in that situation. State that you don't have any, lock them to a radiator, or simply turn into a silent, passive statue. Or just stand there and recite the Pledge of Allegiance over and over and over again, or whatever suits you.

It's difficult to justify handcuffing or arresting someone who is just standing there like a pillar. They can seize your weapons but they'll have to find them themselves.
 

Landor

New member
I am totally disgusted with the men and women that FOLLOWED ORDERS and took legally owned guns from legal citizens and made them targets to the gangs and looters. Those men and women are what is wrong with America. I would be willing to bet a lot of them enjoyed doing it. Made them feel powerful. My blood boils just thinking about it.
 

Cavalry Doc

Cavalry Doc
I am totally disgusted with the men and women that FOLLOWED ORDERS and took legally owned guns from legal citizens and made them targets to the gangs and looters. Those men and women are what is wrong with America. I would be willing to bet a lot of them enjoyed doing it. Made them feel powerful. My blood boils just thinking about it.



The history books are full of stories of misguided youth.

That's why the efforts of the NRA to have laws on the books that prevent such an occurrence. The problem was that there was no prior thought. There were rumors of people shooting at rescue helicopters, mostly false, but fueled by reporters. So the Democrats in control used their simplistic logic to solve the problem. If people are shooting, take away the guns. Problem solved right? It works in kindergarten with pea shooters.

Luckily there have been some changes in our favor.



The Heller decision was another welcome step in the right direction.
 

maybejim

Maybejim
Nonviolent resistance would probably be called for in that situation. State that you don't have any, lock them to a radiator, or simply turn into a silent, passive statue. Or just stand there and recite the Pledge of Allegiance over and over and over again, or whatever suits you.

It's difficult to justify handcuffing or arresting someone who is just standing there like a pillar. They can seize your weapons but they'll have to find them themselves.

It's difficult to justify stealing legally owned and possessed guns but that didn't seem to be a problem for any of the jack booted thugs that did that. They didn't care about justification. They came in at gunpoint. They pushed around an elderly woman.
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
It's difficult to justify stealing legally owned and possessed guns but that didn't seem to be a problem for any of the jack booted thugs that did that. They didn't care about justification. They came in at gunpoint. They pushed around an elderly woman.
Don't fight them, but don't let them in, either. Don't answer their questions and don't cooperate. If they're looking for a reaction, don't give it to them.
 

maybejim

Maybejim
but don't let them in, either.

I guess you didn't see the video's. It wasn't a matter of "letting them in". The jack booted thugs came with M-16's (or AR-15's I'm not sure) on their shoulders pointed at the homeowners and forced their way in.

I'm not sure but that's close to the point where some lead needs to fly. Of course it's not a good idea to start when they have the draw on you. I think now, I would be tempted to set my cars up so as to block entrance to my property.

Of course my "emergency" that I would likely face is a large earthquake where I would want my vehicles out a little away from the house anyway. At this point in my life I likely would be carrying openly on my own property and would have a rifle or shotgun loosely pointed at anyone approaching the property. All predicated on being able to spot them before they got in the yard.

It's going to take some bloodshed if this happens again or you can kiss your guns and your rights goodbye.
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
I guess you didn't see the video's. It wasn't a matter of "letting them in". The jack booted thugs came with M-16's (or AR-15's I'm not sure) on their shoulders pointed at the homeowners and forced their way in.

I'm not sure but that's close to the point where some lead needs to fly. Of course it's not a good idea to start when they have the draw on you. I think now, I would be tempted to set my cars up so as to block entrance to my property.

Of course my "emergency" that I would likely face is a large earthquake where I would want my vehicles out a little away from the house anyway. At this point in my life I likely would be carrying openly on my own property and would have a rifle or shotgun loosely pointed at anyone approaching the property. All predicated on being able to spot them before they got in the yard.

It's going to take some bloodshed if this happens again or you can kiss your guns and your rights goodbye.
I saw the videos. Shoot the cops and you're likely to die in a hail of gunfire. You'll be a Ruby Ridge martyr, but the cops will have their own version and they'll win in whatever proceedings follow.

Hold off and you can sue the pants off them later. Better to do almost anything that doesn't involve being carried by 6. It's hard to go on TV denouncing an outrage if you're dead.
 

maybejim

Maybejim
So no matter what, you turn over your Constitutionally protected guns. OK. That's your decision. It didn't work out all that well for the folks in New Orleans but you're right they didn't die.
 

Cavalry Doc

Cavalry Doc
So no matter what, you turn over your Constitutionally protected guns. OK. That's your decision. It didn't work out all that well for the folks in New Orleans but you're right they didn't die.

How many of them regained their right to own guns? How many of them aren't likely to admit that they had several more weapons stashed in the garage or attic?

Permanent solutions to temporary problems are not always the right solution.


Lets not forget that there are now laws on the books that remind the lawyers, politicians & police that confiscating guns during a crisis is a "no no".


All that being said, every scenario is unique, and it would depend on a lot of variable factors on what I would do. I would remain armed though, of that I am relatively sure.
 

Glockster20

Clinging to God and guns
Those who would actually follow orders to confiscate legally owned firearms, are criminals themselves! Of the worst kind I might add!!
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
So no matter what, you turn over your Constitutionally protected guns. OK. That's your decision. It didn't work out all that well for the folks in New Orleans but you're right they didn't die.
My number one priority would be to avoid getting into a firefight with government forces that could kill everyone in the house and endanger the neighbors. Ideally, that could be accomplished by hiding the weapons. If it comes to it, they might have to be handed over. Either way, a big stink will be made about it.

It's my opinion that to act as a deterrent, NRA or some other group should really be more vengeful in situations like this. Sue the individual soldiers and LEOs, relentlessly pursue this even after the guns have been returned, run commercials that publicly denounce the state officials who approved this, etc. Taking the gloves off isn't enough - claws and teeth must be brought out. It's possible to win a case victoriously, as in Keller - but if you don't then capitalize on that and use it to individually attack some of those who were in opposition, they're just going to come back later.
 

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