National Right-To-Carry Reciprocity Bill Introduced


Templar

I'm a square
NRA-ILA :: National Right-To-Carry Reciprocity Bill Introduced

U.S. Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Rick Boucher (D-Va.), recently introduced H.R. 197-- the "National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009"--a bill that would provide national recognition for valid state Right-to-Carry licensees.

The bill would allow any person with a valid carry permit or license issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any other state if the permit holder meets certain criteria. In states that issue permits, a state's laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal standard would apply. The bill would not create a federal licensing system; it would simply require the states to recognize each other's carry permits, just as they recognize drivers' licenses.

Senator John Thune (R-S.D.) is expected to introduce the Senate companion bill in the near future. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995.

Please be sure to contact your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121, and urge him or her to cosponsor and support H.R. 197!

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We need to support HR 197!
 

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HK4U

New member
I would like to see this happen but with our current President and congress I will be more that a little surprised if it becomes law, but hey I serve the God of miracles so who knows.
 

Red Hat

New member
They could possibly get it passed but Hussein would never sign it. Overriding the veto would never happen.
 

Templar

I'm a square
I think it's too good to be true also but I figure I'll do my part to try and help it pass. If it gets denied at some point at least I'll know I tried. For now I'll hope for the best.
 

ricbak

New member
Who knows? I think we need to do our due diligence and write our Reps & Senators anyway. We have to let them Know what we are thinking & we are watching....
 

rockwerks

New member
I will call my reps tomorrow and write them letters. This kind of law would greatly reduce the attacks on tourists if they perps would not know if that person might just be carrying
 
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wolfhunter

Guest
HR 17 is also an interesting proposal:

Summary:
Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2009 - Declares that a person not prohibited under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act from receiving a firearm shall have the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of: (1) self or family against a reasonably perceived threat of imminent and unlawful infliction of serious bodily injury; (2) self or family in the course of the commission by another person of a violent felony against the person or a member of the person's family; and (3) the person's home in the course of the commission of a felony by another person.
Authorizes persons whose rights under this Act have been violated to bring an action in U.S. district court against the United States, any state, or any person for damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as the court deems appropriate.
 

fredmaidment

Individuals Rule
I agree with national reciprocity, but I don't believe it should require a bill. The "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution should be all that is necessary.

But that part of the Constitution also provides for Congress to make the necessary laws for that purpose:

"Article IV. Section. 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."
 

Canis-Lupus

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And after the law is passed then what?

Let's see, a national standard would probably entail federal triaining (by whom and where?) on your days off or do U take vacation time to go to a federal facility for a 1-week or 1-month course? Prolly recert every 4 years, mirroring a single presidential term in office. Registration of all guns and coded ammo bought only from federal outlets, gun locks mandated or lead-free ammo only? U.S. made only, or imports allowed? Certification on weapons you may never even own or want to buy/use, (include pistols/rifles/shotguns) an NIC that goes much deeper than a back-ground check to be a Presidential body-guard! Intimate knowlege of intricate gun laws U that go way beyond the state level, knowledge of fed criminal laws on assualts to threats to carry/no carry areas/times and conditions, hunting laws & permit$ U may never practice/need, and a permit for each gun used from range, sport, hunting, self-defense laws, stand ground or retreat? Then comes concealed carry (a much harder one to secure), then comes the list of autorized weapons a law-abiding citizen can own, (that's prolly where the AR/semi-auto assualt rifle family will be cut out). Since misuse of any part of the new fed concept/law would be breaking a federal law, felonize any who deviates from rigid rules and regs. No more (state) gross-misdemeanor charges for say not having the permit with U when U pack or minor/accidental brandishing or discharge, ooops, lose all go to jail. Probably no open carry. No petitioning a court to restore gun ownership rights restored if ever lost because you (say) paddled your kid's butt ONCE and a nieghbor calls the cops on U. Control of a 'well regulated militia' in times of emergency from DC not your state governor. And more I could but won't bother adding. Use your imagination and think of more restrictions. I used to think 1 rule for all would make gun ownership and CCW's so much better, but when a 70 y/o lady fails the federal rifle range course part of training because she can't lay out flat on her belly in the mud/dirt or tarmac on a range for 8 hours or even see the 1K meter targets I wonder why she may have spent all the money they will surely not refund to her for applying, let her try again or then ban her from all gun rights/ownership 4 ever! A Draconian 2nd fit for any dictatorship, somewhat like the Chinese 'citizen-soldier' any time on recall duty the party wants U to drill/fight (Maoist) model.... but much harder. They only had the AK's to learn! :butcher:

Canis-Lupus
 
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wolfhunter

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Let's see, a national standard would probably entail federal triaining (by whom and where?) on your days off or do U take vacation time to go to a federal facility for a 1-week or 1-month course? Prolly recert every 4 years, mirroring a single presidential term in office. Registration of all guns and coded ammo bought only from federal outlets, gun locks mandated or lead-free ammo only? U.S. made only, or imports allowed? Certification on weapons you may never even own or want to buy/use, (include pistols/rifles/shotguns) an NIC that goes much deeper than a back-ground check to be a Presidential body-guard! Intimate knowlege of intricate gun laws U that go way beyond the state level, knowledge of fed criminal laws on assualts to threats to carry/no carry areas/times and conditions, hunting laws & permit$ U may never practice/need, and a permit for each gun used from range, sport, hunting, self-defense laws, stand ground or retreat? Then comes concealed carry (a much harder one to secure), then comes the list of autorized weapons a law-abiding citizen can own, (that's prolly where the AR/semi-auto assualt rifle family will be cut out). Since misuse of any part of the new fed concept/law would be breaking a federal law, felonize any who deviates from rigid rules and regs. No more (state) gross-misdemeanor charges for say not having the permit with U when U pack or minor/accidental brandishing or discharge, ooops, lose all go to jail. Probably no open carry. No petitioning a court to restore gun ownership rights restored if ever lost because you (say) paddled your kid's butt ONCE and a nieghbor calls the cops on U. Control of a 'well regulated militia' in times of emergency from DC not your state governor. And more I could but won't bother adding. Use your imagination and think of more restrictions. I used to think 1 rule for all would make gun ownership and CCW's so much better, but when a 70 y/o lady fails the federal rifle range course part of training because she can't lay out flat on her belly in the mud/dirt or tarmac on a range for 8 hours or even see the 1K meter targets I wonder why she may have spent all the money they will surely not refund to her for applying, let her try again or then ban her from all gun rights/ownership 4 ever! A Draconian 2nd fit for any dictatorship, somewhat like the Chinese 'citizen-soldier' any time on recall duty the party wants U to drill/fight (Maoist) model.... but much harder. They only had the AK's to learn! :butcher:

Canis-Lupus

Hey C-L, Do you have a Federal Drivers' License, or one issued by your State of Residence? This bill is NOT about a Federal CCW, it's about reciprocity. It will kick Kalifornia, RPHI and RPMA, NY and others, forcing them to recognize and accept my FL CCW, your CCW, and everyone else's just as they do drivers' licenses. You meet YOUR state's qualifications, other states have to accept your permit as valid.
 

Canis-Lupus

New member
So what State law sets Fed standards?

It sounds easy Wolfie,
But consider a gun law that is the exact same in all 50 states is one that nixes what state by state already go from nothing (DC) to anal (CA) to anything goes/almost (Alaska), so some states would take a giant leap forward in weapons ownership, and others may lose what they have like open carry. I would like to see 1 set of standards for all, but regulated to the point that it is not DC or Alaska, a 'middle ground' where reasonable standards meet the criteria to buy and use what is currently available for sale, ownership and use.
When that happens I will apply.
BTW I held a military (Federal) drivers license for 20 years, drove in many U.S. states and other nations, yet it did not give me the right to drive outside the limits set by the nation/state I convoyed thru, if that is the argument then it is a double standard. The no speed limit Autobahn rocks in a HUMMER! :wub:

C-L
 
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RayMich

Support Our 2nd Amendment
U.S. Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Rick Boucher (D-Va.), recently introduced H.R. 197-- the "National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009"--a bill that would provide national recognition for valid state Right-to-Carry licensees.

The bill would allow any person with a valid carry permit or license issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any other state if the permit holder meets certain criteria. In states that issue permits, a state's laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal standard would apply. The bill would not create a federal licensing system; it would simply require the states to recognize each other's carry permits, just as they recognize drivers' licenses.

Senator John Thune (R-S.D.) is expected to introduce the Senate companion bill in the near future. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995.

Please be sure to contact your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121, and urge him or her to cosponsor and support H.R. 197!

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We need to support HR 197!
Can you provide us with a link to this information.

I have tried several searches at the US House of Representatives website and I am unable to find anything on this.

Thanks.
 

Templar

I'm a square
Let's see, a national standard would probably entail federal triaining (by whom and where?) on your days off or do U take vacation time to go to a federal facility for a 1-week or 1-month course? Prolly recert every 4 years, mirroring a single presidential term in office. Registration of all guns and coded ammo bought only from federal outlets, gun locks mandated or lead-free ammo only? U.S. made only, or imports allowed? Certification on weapons you may never even own or want to buy/use, (include pistols/rifles/shotguns) an NIC that goes much deeper than a back-ground check to be a Presidential body-guard! Intimate knowlege of intricate gun laws U that go way beyond the state level, knowledge of fed criminal laws on assualts to threats to carry/no carry areas/times and conditions, hunting laws & permit$ U may never practice/need, and a permit for each gun used from range, sport, hunting, self-defense laws, stand ground or retreat? Then comes concealed carry (a much harder one to secure), then comes the list of autorized weapons a law-abiding citizen can own, (that's prolly where the AR/semi-auto assualt rifle family will be cut out). Since misuse of any part of the new fed concept/law would be breaking a federal law, felonize any who deviates from rigid rules and regs. No more (state) gross-misdemeanor charges for say not having the permit with U when U pack or minor/accidental brandishing or discharge, ooops, lose all go to jail. Probably no open carry. No petitioning a court to restore gun ownership rights restored if ever lost because you (say) paddled your kid's butt ONCE and a nieghbor calls the cops on U. Control of a 'well regulated militia' in times of emergency from DC not your state governor. And more I could but won't bother adding. Use your imagination and think of more restrictions. I used to think 1 rule for all would make gun ownership and CCW's so much better, but when a 70 y/o lady fails the federal rifle range course part of training because she can't lay out flat on her belly in the mud/dirt or tarmac on a range for 8 hours or even see the 1K meter targets I wonder why she may have spent all the money they will surely not refund to her for applying, let her try again or then ban her from all gun rights/ownership 4 ever! A Draconian 2nd fit for any dictatorship, somewhat like the Chinese 'citizen-soldier' any time on recall duty the party wants U to drill/fight (Maoist) model.... but much harder. They only had the AK's to learn! :butcher:

Canis-Lupus

Wow. A few assumptions have been made here, IMO I still think it's worth supporting and will be letting my elected officials know that I support HR 197.
 
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Scarecrow

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that would be nice to see. I'll try to do my part. but I will be more than surprised to actually see it happen.
 

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