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Bohemian

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Health Plan Threatens to Feed Your Gun-related Data Into a National
Database
--- And charge you $10,000 a year for the privilege

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org

Thursday, April 2, 2009


In a year when trillion dollar bailouts have become routine, many
Americans have become almost numb to our acceleration towards socialism.

But gun rights activists aren't in that crowd, and so GOA has to inform
you of yet ANOTHER threat to your privacy, the Second Amendment, and
even your wallet.

It is called an "individual mandate" or, alternatively, the
"Massachusetts plan." And over the weekend, both the Washington Post
and the New York Times worked hard to build momentum for it.

First, a little history.

We alerted you a few weeks ago to the gun control provisions in the
stimulus bill that President Obama signed in February. Our government
will now spend between $12 and $20 BILLION to require the medical
community to retroactively put our most confidential medical records
into a government database -- a database that could easily be used to
deny veterans (and other law-abiding Americans) who have sought
psychiatric treatment for things such as PTSD.

Currently, gun owners can avoid getting caught in this database by
refusing to purchase health insurance or by purchasing insurance with a
carrier that has not signed an agreement with the government to place
your records in a national database.

But that's all about to change. A budget resolution -- to be voted on
this Friday in the Senate -- will be the first domino in a process that
could FORCE you to buy government-approved insurance, thus making it
impossible to avoid the medical database.

Put another way: If you do not have health insurance -- or,
potentially, if you do not have the TYPE of health insurance the
government wants you to have -- the government will force you to
purchase what it regards as "acceptable" health insurance. And, in most
cases, you will have to pay for it out of your own pocket.

What would all this cost? Based on comparable insurance currently on
the market, it could cost $10,000 a year -- or more.

If you were jobless, the socialists would probably spot you the ten
grand. But if you are middle class and can't pay $10,000 because of
your mortgage payments, your small business, or your kids' college
education, you would be fined (over $1,000 a year currently in
Massachusetts). And, if you couldn't pay the confiscatory fine, you
could ultimately be imprisoned.

Scary, you say. But why is this a Second Amendment issue? Under the
Massachusetts plan, your MANDATED insurance carrier has to feed your
medical data into a centralized database -- freely accessible by the
government under federal privacy laws.

So... remember when your pediatrician asked your kid if you have a
firearm in the home? Or when your dad was given a prescription for
Zoloft because of his Alzheimer's? Or when your wife mentioned to her
gynecologist that she had regularly smoked marijuana ten years ago?

All of this would be in a centralized database. And all of it could
potentially be used to vastly expand the "prohibited persons" list
maintained by the FBI in West Virginia.

How serious a threat is this?

If it gets into the budget resolution the Senate will consider on
Friday, it will be almost impossible to strip out later. It will be as
much of a done-deal as the stimulus package was.

We have asked senators to introduce language to prohibit such an
individual mandate for socialized medicine that would violate the
privacy of gun owners. In the absence of such an amendment, we are
asking senators to vote against the budget resolution.

ACTION: Write your U.S. Senators. Urge them to vote against the budget
resolution if it does not contain language prohibiting a mandate that
Americans buy government-approved health insurance against their will.

Please use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Senators the
pre-written e-mail message below.


----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Senator:

A budget resolution that could end up requiring Americans to purchase
expensive health insurance policies against their will is truly
frightening.

And equally alarming is the fact that such mandated health care coverage
could easily become a shill for gun control.

Potentially, anyone who does not have health insurance-- or does not
have the TYPE of health insurance the government wants them to have --
will be forced to purchase "acceptable" health insurance and pay for it
out of our own pockets.

Based on the cost of comparable insurance currently on the market, that
could cost $10,000 a year -- or more.

That's bad enough. But far worse, such a "Massachusetts Plan" would
MANDATE that an insurance carrier feed medical data into a centralized
database -- freely accessible by the government under federal privacy
laws.

Hence, a kid's statement to his pediatrician about his parents'
firearms... or a dad's prescription for Zoloft because of his
Alzheimer's... or a wife's statement to her gynecologist about her
regular use of marijuana ten years ago... could all turn up in a federal
database and unconstitutionally expand the list of "prohibited persons."
Individuals would have no ability to opt out.

For all of these reasons, if the budget resolution does not contain
language prohibiting an "individual mandate" regarding health care, I
would ask that you oppose the budget resolution.

Sincerely, your name here...
 

HK4U

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It just keeps getting better and better every day with the Obamanation. At the rate we are going in a couple of years Nazi Germany might look pretty good compared to what we have. They just had a dictator. We may have the anti-Christ.
 

rockwerks

New member
follow the link, one stop shopping...
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm

Never mind the GOA does not list the bill number either. My senators will just throw this letter away without a valid bill number as they have told me in the past. I guess I need to research it myself. :angry:

This is going to be hard find it as there are currently 62 health care related bill in the senate active at this time I wish these guys who send these emails out supplied correct info.
 

Bohemian

New member
Never mind the GOA does not list the bill number either. My senators will just throw this letter away without a valid bill number as they have told me in the past. I guess I need to research it myself. :angry:

This is going to be hard find it as there are currently 62 health care related bill in the senate active at this time I wish these guys who send these emails out supplied correct info.

S.CON.RES.13


S. Con. Res. 13, the Fiscal Year 2010 Budget Resolution

Never had a single GOA Action Alert pre-written note come back asking for bill info...

ALWAYS responded to by applicable rep...
 

rockwerks

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S.CON.RES.13


S. Con. Res. 13, the Fiscal Year 2010 Budget Resolution

Never had a single GOA Action Alert pre-written note come back asking for bill info...

ALWAYS responded to by applicable rep...

So point out to me what is bad in here?

SEC. 201. DEFICIT-NEUTRAL RESERVE FUND TO TRANSFORM AND MODERNIZE AMERICA’S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

(a) Transform and Modernize America’s Health Care System- The Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Budget may revise the allocations of a committee or committees, aggregates, and other appropriate levels and limits in this resolution, and make adjustments to the pay-as-you-go ledger that are deficit-neutral over 11 years, for one or more bills, joint resolutions, amendments, motions, or conference reports that are deficit-neutral, reduce excess cost growth in health care spending and are fiscally sustainable over the long term, and--

(1) protect families’ financial health including restraining the growth of health premiums and other health-related costs;

(2) make health coverage affordable to businesses, households, and governments, including by reducing wasteful and inefficient spending in the health care system with periodic reports on savings achieved through these efforts, and by moving forward with improvements to the health care delivery system, including Medicare;

(3) aim for universality of health coverage;

(4) provide portability of coverage and assurance of coverage with appropriate consumer protections;

(5) guarantee choice of health plans and health care providers to Americans;

(6) invest in prevention and wellness and address issues of health disparities;

(7) improve patient safety and quality care, including the appropriate use of health information technology and health data, and promote transparency in cost and quality information to Americans; or

(8) maintain long-term fiscal sustainability and pays for itself by reducing health care cost growth, improving productivity, or dedicating additional sources of revenue;

by the amounts provided in such legislation for those purposes, provided that such legislation would not increase the deficit over the period of the total of fiscal years 2009 through 2019.

(b) Other Revisions- The Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Budget may revise the allocations of a committee or committees, aggregates, and other appropriate levels and limits in this resolution for one or more bills, joint resolutions, amendments, motions, or conference reports that--

(1) increase the reimbursement rate for physician services under section 1848(d) of the Social Security Act and that include financial incentives for physicians to improve the quality and efficiency of items and services furnished to Medicare beneficiaries through the use of consensus-based quality measures;

(2) include measures to encourage physicians to train in primary care residencies and ensure an adequate supply of residents and physicians; or

(3) improve the Medicare program for beneficiaries and protect access to outpatient therapy services (including physical therapy, occupational therapy, and speech-language pathology services) through measures such as repealing the current outpatient therapy caps while protecting beneficiaries from associated premium increases;

by the amounts provided in such legislation for those purposes, provided that such legislation would not increase the deficit over either the period of the total of fiscal years 2009 through 2014 or the period of the total of fiscal years 2009 through 2019.



Health. The Budget Resolution provides for:

· Community Health Centers. The Budget Resolution provides $2.9 billion for Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHCs) in Fiscal Year 2010. These health centers are community-based providers of comprehensive primary and preventive health care that serve more than 16 million people, many of whom are uninsured or on Medicaid.

· Health Professions & National Health Service Corp. The Budget Resolution provides funding for the Health Professions program and the National Health Service Corps to increase the number of health professionals practicing in medically underserved areas.

· National Institutes of Health. The Budget Resolution continues to support funding for NIH in Fiscal Year 2010, including support for cancer research.

· Food and Drug Administration. The Budget Resolution includes a reserve fund for deficit-neutral legislation that would strengthen the Food and Drug Administration's ability to ensure the products it regulates are safe for the public.
 

Scarecrow

New member
this bull crap is getting way out of hand.. these anti american, anti rights, anti God morons are so gonna burn in hell.
 

HK4U

New member
And who pays for this? Oh I forgot the tax payers of course. That is unless Washington has a money tree growing at the Whitehouse I do not know about. I guess the + side is that we then can have health care as good as England or Canada.:fie:
 

rockwerks

New member
And who pays for this? Oh I forgot the tax payers of course. That is unless Washington has a money tree growing at the Whitehouse I do not know about. I guess the + side is that we then can have health care as good as England or Canada.:fie:

True, but this bill has nothing to do with information gathering etc. This is just part of the budget. and there are no mandated health care providers or forced coverage in this bill. I will keep searching.
 

Bohemian

New member
So point out to me what is bad in here?
...

Obviously, you did not read the GOA Alert in its entirety...

Or look of the hearing minutes etc., spent 5 minutes watching C-Span and 100% of the Republicans in the House Opposing it!

here is two to ponder on...

1. Just how the hell do you think Gun Ban Obama & Company are going to pay for this?

Two-Ways:

  • Raise your taxes. (Regardless of household income size)
  • Print more money.
2. What do you think about your firearm ownership information, history, etc., being in a government operated database, that they can use in conjunction with your government mandated, provided heath care to decide if you can or can not get the treatment you need or if you are healthy enough to own a firearm?

This is just some of the same kind of Tyranny that Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence...

More and more Americans are saying its time for a New Declaration of Independence, a New American Tea Party!

Not to mention PROSECUTING THE USURPER IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

No where in the Constitution does it promise everybody free-health care and a college education and a government job and or welfare at the expense of your fellow citizen(s) working his/her ass off!

Everybody has equal opportunity to succeed or fail...

Russia is a country full of people with multiple Phd's, free government health care, making $70.00 (Seventy) dollars a month... and gun control...

Canada has free health care and gun bans and the people are coming here to PAY for health care, cause they are dieing waiting in line for government approval...

People in England & Scotland, and Australia are Protesting Gun Ban Obama & his polices and stating NO OBAMANOMICS! WE ALREADY ARE BROKE AND DEFENSELESS AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF OUR OWN GOVERNMENT
 

rockwerks

New member
Obviously, you did not read the GOA Alert in its entirety...

Or look of the hearing minutes etc., spent 5 minutes watching C-Span and 100% of the Republicans in the House Opposing it!

here is two to ponder on...

1. Just how the hell do you think Gun Ban Obama & Company are going to pay for this?

Two-Ways:

  • Raise your taxes. (Regardless of household income size)
  • Print more money.
2. What do you think about your firearm ownership information, history, etc., being in a government operated database, that they can use in conjunction with your government mandated, provided heath care to decide if you can or can not get the treatment you need or if you are healthy enough to own a firearm?

This is just some of the same kind of Tyranny that Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence...

More and more Americans are saying its time for a New Declaration of Independence, a New American Tea Party!

Not to mention PROSECUTING THE USURPER IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

No where in the Constitution does it promise everybody free-health care and a college education and a government job and or welfare at the expense of your fellow citizen(s) working his/her ass off!

Everybody has equal opportunity to succeed or fail...

Russia is a country full of people with multiple Phd's, free government health care, making $70.00 (Seventy) dollars a month... and gun control...

Canada has free health care and gun bans and the people are coming here to PAY for health care, cause they are dieing waiting in line for government approval...

People in England & Scotland, and Australia are Protesting Gun Ban Obama & his polices and stating NO OBAMANOMICS! WE ALREADY ARE BROKE AND DEFENSELESS AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF OUR OWN GOVERNMENT


LIke you I dont like this health plan but it has nothing to do with the 2nd by any stretch of the imagination. I posted 100% of the health care coverage in the budget bill and none of the mentioned info from the GOA letter are there. Like I said there must be another bill they are talking about
 

Bohemian

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LIke you I dont like this health plan but it has nothing to do with the 2nd by any stretch of the imagination. I posted 100% of the health care coverage in the budget bill and none of the mentioned info from the GOA letter are there. Like I said there must be another bill they are talking about

Still can't read can you...

...But that's all about to change. A budget resolution -- to be voted on this Friday in the Senate -- will be the first domino in a process that could FORCE you to buy government-approved insurance, thus making it impossible to avoid the medical database. ...

Health Plan Could Feed Your Gun-related Data Into A National Database

Currently Active
Bills that may receive floor action this week. Senate chamber Budget Resolution, FY 2010 S.Con.Res.13 H.Con.Res.85
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Active Legislation
 

rockwerks

New member
Still can't read can you...

...But that's all about to change. A budget resolution -- to be voted on this Friday in the Senate -- will be the first domino in a process that could FORCE you to buy government-approved insurance, thus making it impossible to avoid the medical database. ...

Health Plan Could Feed Your Gun-related Data Into A National Database

Currently Active
Bills that may receive floor action this week. Senate chamber Budget Resolution, FY 2010 S.Con.Res.13 H.Con.Res.85
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Active Legislation

I can read that is the problem, in the bill there is no mention of any of the things that are stated in the article. saying it like a domino is like saying a drivers license is like taking away your right to drive.

There is no correlation just a pretty far leap. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

I have sent emails to my senators anyway even though the 2 are some of the most liberal in the senate. But I just stated that I do not agree with this subject being part of the budget and that it should be approached outside of the budget
 

Bohemian

New member
I can read that is the problem, in the bill there is no mention of any of the things that are stated in the article. saying it like a domino is like saying a drivers license is like taking away your right to drive.

There is no correlation just a pretty far leap. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

I have sent emails to my senators anyway even though the 2 are some of the most liberal in the senate. But I just stated that I do not agree with this subject being part of the budget and that it should be approached outside of the budget

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The GOA's concerns are well-founded, and itemized, if you could just do more then skim, as they came into fruition in Massachusetts, when they enacted their mandated state-run health care, that the White House's Health Care Plan is based on... that is why Gun Ban Obama & Company's socialized health care plan is also known as the "Massachusetts plan", in conjuntion with the NICS improvement act (passed last year & opposed by the GOA), (aka veterans disarmament act) your medical records can and will be shared with the BATFE, other law-enforcement agencies and vice-versa, and there is nothing to stop it... Short of a massive civil protest, and or New Declaration of Independence, and a New American Tea Party...
Our Congress and Usuper President have taken away our remaining privacy, in lew of SOCIALISM...

By the way Massachusetts, is now bankrupt due to this plan...

AND - The Senate Vote (Not One Republican Voted For It):
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00154

Ditto in the House...
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll192.xml


Time For A New Declaration of Independence, and a New American Tea Party...
 

HK4U

New member
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The GOA's concerns are well-founded, and itemized, if you could just do more then skim, as they came into fruition in Massachusetts, when they enacted their mandated state-run health care, that the White House's Health Care Plan is based on... that is why Gun Ban Obama & Company's socialized health care plan is also known as the "Massachusetts plan", in conjuntion with the NICS improvement act (passed last year & opposed by the GOA), (aka veterans disarmament act) your medical records can and will be shared with the BATFE, other law-enforcement agencies and vice-versa, and there is nothing to stop it... Short of a massive civil protest, and or New Declaration of Independence, and a New American Tea Party...
Our Congress and Usuper President have taken away our remaining privacy, in lew of SOCIALISM...

By the way Massachusetts, is now bankrupt due to this plan...

AND - The Senate Vote (Not One Republican Voted For It):
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Ditto in the House...
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll192.xml


Time For A New Declaration of Independence, and a New American Tea Party...


Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Just like most of the German citizens could not see the hand writing on the wall when their "mesiah" arrived on the scene neither can many Americans now that theirs has arrived.:cray:
 

ricbak

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So much for the two party system.. I truely do not understand what these people are thinking, or for that matter if they are even thinking about the the consequences of their mob mentality.
 

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