Nevada CCW Holders Hosed Again


Bohemian

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Nevada Will No Longer Recognize Utah and Florida Right-to-Carry Permits Thursday, June 25, 2009 Effective, July 1, Nevada will no longer recognize Right-to-Carry permits from Utah or Florida. They have, however, added Ohio and West Virginia as recognized states.

Each May, the Nevada Department of Public Safety conducts an audit of states and their Right-to-Carry laws for the purpose of determining which states it will recognize.

The Nevada DPS dropped Utah because it does not have a live fire requirement, which is a part of Nevada's training requirements. When the Nevada DPS first began its state by state audit of Right-to-Carry laws in 2007, DPS admitted to NRA representatives that they overlooked the live fire training requirement. After further review, they determined that Utah wasn't similar enough to keep it on the list of recognized states.

Florida will no longer be recognized because its permits are now valid for seven years instead of five.

The Nevada DPS and the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs will be hosting their annual Right-to-Carry forum in Carson City in August with a teleconference feed to Las Vegas. We encourage all members to attend this informational meeting. Details will be forthcoming.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=5001

Nevada CCW Holders get hosed again...

First with that BATFE regulation last year that eliminates Nevada CCW holders from not having to pay for or go through NICS checks on firearm purchases...

Now this b.s....

Time to write our State Legislators and Governor again!

The fix for both is in the hands of our State Legislature...

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/
 

HardCorps53

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Contacting the legislature and governor is a good tactic for NV residents. However, there is an approach that us non-residents can take that might be very affective if enough of us do it.

I will be contacting the casino's with which I hold "players cards". I will be informing them that they can cancel my accounts because my UT CCP is no longer recognized in NV and I no longer feel safe travelling to their fair state. In some cases, I'm down quite a bit and they'll miss my revenue. In some cases, I'm up quite a bit and they'll never get it back. Either way, they're gonna miss me.
 

LVLouisCyphre

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Contacting the legislature and governor is a good tactic for NV residents. However, there is an approach that us non-residents can take that might be very affective if enough of us do it.

I will be contacting the casino's with which I hold "players cards". I will be informing them that they can cancel my accounts because my UT CCP is no longer recognized in NV and I no longer feel safe travelling to their fair state. In some cases, I'm down quite a bit and they'll miss my revenue. In some cases, I'm up quite a bit and they'll never get it back. Either way, they're gonna miss me.
That will not work because the casinos don't really want CCW to begin with.

I don't expect anything to be done until the 2011 legislative session. With Bernie Anderson gone, we can see more pro-gun legislation pass unless the successor to the Assembly Judiciary Committee is someone who is depriving another village of their idiot.
 

jaws48

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Well this is a fine "how do you do"! Got my Utah permit as few months ago specifically so I could legally carry concealed while in Laughlin during my several visits each year. The only other state I visit that does not recognize AZ is Washington so it is not a total loss I guess.:wacko:
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
Well this is a fine "how do you do"! Got my Utah permit as few months ago specifically so I could legally carry concealed while in Laughlin during my several visits each year. The only other state I visit that does not recognize AZ is Washington so it is not a total loss I guess.:wacko:
Unfortunately we can't get it fixed until 2011. The fix won't take effect until fall 2011 or Jan 1, 2012.
 

bplv

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title should be UT & FL CCW holders get hosed because this doesn't affect NV CCW Holders unless there is some retaliation by UT & FL not accepting NV's CCW, right?
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
title should be UT & FL CCW holders get hosed because this doesn't affect NV CCW Holders unless there is some retaliation by UT & FL not accepting NV's CCW, right?
Florida will stop honoring NV CFPs effective July 1 as well as Florida is a "we'll honor yours if you honor ours" State. Utah is a "we honor all" State so it will have no effect on NV CFP holders in Utah. However, it will have an impact of revenue from Utah CFP holders coming to Nevada. This also has the side effect that there will be no State in the NV CFP recognition list that issues non-resident CCWs.
 

astute

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The live fire requirement is rediculous considering what the live fire requirement for Nv. is. When I qualified for my non-resident permit I had to stand at 10' and one handed hit a B-27 target with 6 shots, then move to 20' and two handed hit the target with 6 shots, then move to 30' and hit the tagget with 6 more shots 2 handed. No scores, just hit the target. Also there was no time limit. Now I'm not that great of a shot, but I can hit a B-27 target with my eyes closed rapid fire at those ranges. Not to mention I had to do it with every gun I might be carrying as Nv. keeps a list of all the guns you have qualified with by Make, model and caliber.:hang3::no::mad:
 

Sheldon

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I keep saying this... It is a real bad idea to let a bunch of Police Chiefs make law and policy, take it out of their hands and put it in the hands of those that are accountable to the voter!!!!
 

NRA UR2

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I am a CCW holder in Ohio. Our license requires 4 hours of range time and our renewal time has been extended to 5 years. All Nevada is asking is that reciprocal states require the same training as them. A ploy actually, but one that could be easily remedied by the legislature. In fact the best way to solve the problem is to have a universal law for the United States.. However politics would prevail and the law we would get would be obannized and do more harm than good.:girl_wink:
 

Wolfling68

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So, start by writing the Nevada State Tourism Board indicating how disappointed you are you can no longer vacation in Vegas....money talks.....
 

HiCarry

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Suggestions for NR NV permit

I too was relying on my Utah permit for a trip to Nevada in September or October. Now, I am looking for a quick way to obtain a NR Nevada permit.

Any suggestions?
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
I too was relying on my Utah permit for a trip to Nevada in September or October. Now, I am looking for a quick way to obtain a NR Nevada permit.

Any suggestions?
You have to come to Nevada to get it. Instruction must take place in Nevada and you must apply in person to get it.
 

Bohemian

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That will not work because the casinos don't really want CCW to begin with.
...
Actually, this is not the case...
Most of the casinos in Las Vegas allow concealed carry... while the convoluted Nevada laws allow them to prohibit it by posting no guns allowed signs...
Although, the same goofy statue does not allow you to be arrested for violating said signs, and the Casino's only legal enforcement is to ask you to leave IF they see you are carrying...
IF you subsequently refuse they can have you arrested for misdemeanor trespassing...

In Nevada, you are basically limited by three factors...

  1. Cannot carry in a building with a metal detector at the entrance.
  2. Cannot carry in a building that has no weapons signs posted at all entrances. (Only enforceable violation is trespassing if you refuse to leave)
  3. Cannot carry on public school system property. (AKA: Gun Free Zones, AKA: Kill for free and leave our kids and their teachers defenseless).
And all the major casino's unofficially support concealed carry by law-abiding citizens...

One of the Nugget casinos's recently had a armed cage robbery by some crack head foiled by a CCW holder...

I have been to most of the casino's in Las Vegas and have yet to see a no weapon's sign posted, with the exception of the Tropicania during gun shows, they put up a temporary no weapons in casino sandwich board sign for insurance purposes...

Always Carry, Never Tell...
 

Bohemian

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I too was relying on my Utah permit for a trip to Nevada in September or October. Now, I am looking for a quick way to obtain a NR Nevada permit.

Any suggestions?
The Nevada concealed firearms LAW has been in effect since October 1, 1995, and requires all applicants to be photographed, fingerprinted and investigated, even those who currently hold a permit. The LAW was amended October 1, 2001, which allow out-of-state residents to apply for a Nevada concealed firearms permit. Out-of-state residents may now apply for a Nevada concealed firearms permit from the Sheriff of any county in the State of Nevada. Nevada residents may only apply to the Sheriff of the county in which he/she resides...
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
 

Quiet

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Actually, this is not the case...
Most of the casinos in Las Vegas allow concealed carry... while the convoluted Nevada laws allow them to prohibit it by posting no guns allowed signs...
Although, the same goofy statue does not allow you to be arrested for violating said signs, and the Casino's only legal enforcement is to ask you to leave IF they see you are carrying...
IF you subsequently refuse they can have you arrested for misdemeanor trespassing...

In Nevada, you are basically limited by three factors...

  1. Cannot carry in a building with a metal detector at the entrance.
  2. Cannot carry in a building that has no weapons signs posted at all entrances. (Only enforceable violation is trespassing if you refuse to leave)
  3. Cannot carry on public school system property. (AKA: Gun Free Zones, AKA: Kill for free and leave our kids and their teachers defenseless).
This is incorrect and you left out information in your list.
You can legally carry in building with posted signs and metal detectors, unless the metal detectors/signs are at all the entrances to a "public buidling".
Under NV law a "public building" is defined as a government owned building.
You also can not carry at child care facilities.

Posted signs/metal detectors at the entrances to any privately owned building has not weight of law and you can legally carry in those buildings.

Nevada Revised Statute 202.3673
1. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 2 and 3, a permittee may carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of any public building.
2. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.
3. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of:
(a) A public building that is located on the property of a public school or a child care facility or the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, unless the permittee has obtained written permission to carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subparagraph (3) of paragraph (a) of subsection 3 of NRS 202.265.
(b) A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance or a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building, unless the permittee is not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subsection 4.
4. The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 3 do not prohibit:
(a) A permittee who is a judge from carrying a concealed firearm in the courthouse or courtroom in which he presides or from authorizing a permittee to carry a concealed firearm while in the courtroom of the judge and while traveling to and from the courtroom of the judge.
(b) A permittee who is a prosecuting attorney of an agency or political subdivision of the United States or of this State from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building.
(c) A permittee who is employed in the public building from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building.
(d) A permittee from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building if the permittee has received written permission from the person in control of the public building to carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of the public building.
5. A person who violates subsection 2 or 3 is guilty of a misdemeanor.
6. As used in this section:
(a) “Child care facility” has the meaning ascribed to it in paragraph (a) of subsection 5 of NRS 202.265.
(b) “Public building” means any building or office space occupied by:
(1) Any component of the Nevada System of Higher Education and used for any purpose related to the System; or
(2) The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose.
If only part of the building is occupied by an entity described in this subsection, the term means only that portion of the building which is so occupied.
 

LVLouisCyphre

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Actually, this is not the case...
Most of the casinos in Las Vegas allow concealed carry... while the convoluted Nevada laws allow them to prohibit it by posting no guns allowed signs...
Although, the same goofy statue does not allow you to be arrested for violating said signs, and the Casino's only legal enforcement is to ask you to leave IF they see you are carrying...
IF you subsequently refuse they can have you arrested for misdemeanor trespassing...
I am well aware of the law if you haven't been following my posting and my instructor credentials which I have posted in my signature line. However, there are casinos that post. Boyd/Coast Casino properties do along with The Statosphere Tower. I don't know why the Friends of the NRA has their banquets and benefit dinners at Sam's Town considering most entrances are are posted.

The Stratosphere Tower has (or had) metal detectors to get into the elevator to the top of the tower. I frequent Sam's Town and ignore the signage if I see it as that's all they can do is trespass me from the property. I have not seen any of the Harrah's properties post.

I haven't see any Laughlin property post. The casino entrance to Terrible's in Searchlight has a "NO WEAPONS" sign, but the entrance to McD's and the convenience store does not. The Joker's Wild near by American Shooters in Henderson posts (or did) last time I checked.

None of the Station Casinos post, but you deal with the gray area that many of them have an onsite child care facility, Kids' Qwest. There's a big gray area because of the verbage of NRS 202.265 on whether it applies to the portion of the establishment where the child care facility is located or just the portion of the establishment where Kids' Qwest is located. The exact verbage implies it's the entire parcel of land the child care facility is on so be cautious if you CCW in an establishment that has an on site childcare facility you may end up being a test case.
Always Carry, Never Tell...
Of course within the parameters of the law.
 

utimmer43

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None of the Station Casinos post, but you deal with the gray area that many of them have an onsite child care facility, Kids' Qwest. There's a big gray area because of the verbage of NRS 202.265 on whether it applies to the portion of the establishment where the child care facility is located or just the portion of the establishment where Kids' Qwest is located. The exact verbage implies it's the entire parcel of land the child care facility is on so be cautious if you CCW in an establishment that has an on site childcare facility you may end up being a test case.
I'm not a lawyer, and I know I'm going a little bit off the topic, but I'd have to say that it reads pretty clear. "...while on the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, a private or public school or child care facility."

However, one might be able to argue that the "property" is owned by the casino, or the "property of" the casino, not the child care facility.

Again, not a lawyer. Just floating an idea.
 
Actually, this is not the case...
Most of the casinos in Las Vegas allow concealed carry... while the convoluted Nevada laws allow them to prohibit it by posting no guns allowed signs...
Although, the same goofy statue does not allow you to be arrested for violating said signs, and the Casino's only legal enforcement is to ask you to leave IF they see you are carrying...
IF you subsequently refuse they can have you arrested for misdemeanor trespassing...

In Nevada, you are basically limited by three factors...

  1. Cannot carry in a building with a metal detector at the entrance.
  2. Cannot carry in a building that has no weapons signs posted at all entrances. (Only enforceable violation is trespassing if you refuse to leave)
  3. Cannot carry on public school system property. (AKA: Gun Free Zones, AKA: Kill for free and leave our kids and their teachers defenseless).
And all the major casino's unofficially support concealed carry by law-abiding citizens...

One of the Nugget casinos's recently had a armed cage robbery by some crack head foiled by a CCW holder...

I have been to most of the casino's in Las Vegas and have yet to see a no weapon's sign posted, with the exception of the Tropicania during gun shows, they put up a temporary no weapons in casino sandwich board sign for insurance purposes...

Always Carry, Never Tell...

You apparently haven't been to the California Hotel & Casino. These folks have signs at the entrances of the parking garage! :eek:



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