Outrage of the Week: New App Targets Gun Owners


Illegitimi non carborundu
Outrage of the Week: New App Targets Gun Owners

Posted on July 12, 2013

This week's outrage comes to us from a rather unlikely source: the Google Play app store. The new app is called the Gun Geo Marker, and encourages users to "geolocate dangerous guns and owners" in their communities.

According to Google Play, "Geolocation means marking dangerous sites on the App's map so that you and others can be aware of the risks in your neighborhood." Think about that for a minute. The purpose of the app--other than sensationalism and profit--is to encourage people to anonymously "flag" locations in their community they subjectively deem "dangerous" and to make that information as public as possible. The probability for abuse and the certainty of inaccurate "reporting" cannot be overstated. What's to keep people from marking any location for any reason at all? Nothing. The practice is not only a serious invasion of privacy, but would also be just as dangerous and irresponsible as publishing the names of concealed-carry permit holders in local papers.

The app could enable thieves to target and steal firearms from law-abiding gun owners, while conversely advertising that other residences are "gun free" and therefore easy targets for criminals.

In a recent Fox News article, John Lott, firearms policy expert and author of the book More Guns, Less Crime, said, "This makes those who don't have guns an easier target for criminals. It's a safety issue. I've debated a lot of gun control advocates over the years, and I've never met someone who has been willing to put up a sign in front of their house indicating that their home is a gun-free zone."

Of course, there is an obvious anti-gun, anti-NRA element to all of this. The Gun Geomarker site says: "You should not be concerned merely because your neighbors are a member of any national gun advocacy organization. The actual threat – just to cite the best known org – that the National Rifle Association (NRA) and its kin present to you and your children is political. This can be seen clearly in their consistent opposition to gun safety laws that would, for example, require parents to properly secure their guns, allow prosecutors to bring charges against people who allow kids to play with loaded guns, or when they help pass laws prohibiting doctors from asking children about guns in the home in an epidemiological attempt to help prevent children from shooting other children."

The Fox News article notes that Brett Stalbaum, the developer of Gun Geo Marker and a lecturer with the Visual Arts department of the University of California, San Diego, said, "The gun rights community has been busy making personal threats (we remain unconcerned), as well as spamming the Gun Geo Marker database with false markers. Though these fake markers are not useful for identifying dangerous guns and owners, they are certainly representative of the highly paranoid reaction we have come to expect from any attempt to improve gun safety in the United States. This kind of reaction--automatically lining up on the wrong side of reasonable measures to improve the safe use and ownership of guns -- aids and abets the crisis of child shooting deaths."

That should tell you all you need to know about the app developer's political agenda.

Starting down this type of path not only leads to inaccurate, invasive, and dangerous "flagging," but is has the potential to take us from "land of the free" to "spy on your neighbor, comrade" very quickly.
The emphasis is mine.
NRA-ILA | Outrage of the Week New App Targets Gun Owners



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This is sickening, I might load this APP just to see if any of my liberal anti-gun neighbors tagged me on it


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I downloaded it so I could comment on it. Then it was uninstalled. I'm not sure how long my comment will stay posted, but it felt good. :cool:


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I think randomly tagging every place I go might be fun, as well as tagging about every other house in my neighborhood just for safeties sake,


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Just have everyone load the app and mark every square inch of any place the visit or even pass in a car. Information overload. It would render the app useless.


Illegitimi non carborundu
It would be just horrible if everyone was to mark every other place as a dangerous gun location. :sarcastic: :nono: :lol:


It would be just horrible if everyone was to mark every other place as a dangerous gun location. :sarcastic: :nono: :lol:
I marked my workplace and I'm going to mark everywhere I stop tomorrow while I work. I marked the police dept. yesterday. I also marked my neighbors mailbox, her cornfield, her liquor store and the roundabout a mile down the road. Lookin for things to mark.


I think this weekend I'll take it coyote hunting and mark everywhere I go in the woods and cornfields that have been good hunting. (To warn the libs about my dangerous guns.)


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If it worked on iPhones I'd tag every single bldg. in my patrol district and house in my neighborhood too.


For all the good it will do, understanding that this app has pretty much been declared dead by its author, I sent the following email to him. His name, BTW, is Brett Stalbaum. His email address at UCSD (University of Cali San Diego) can be obtained on line.


I read your statement in the aftermath of seeing your project "...hacked out of practical existence…" in which you make the claim, "There is no right under the Constitution to anonymous gun ownership."

This statement is patently false.

The Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution clearly states,

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
We have the right to privacy ("to be secure") in our own homes. This enumerated right includes not only our bodies, homes and papers, but our belongings ("effects") as well. A firearm is but one of our effects. So while you contend that the Constitution provides no "anonymous gun ownership," the Fourth Amendment clearly declares this to be a false statement. The only way in which we can be forced to declare the existence of our effects, according to the Fourth Amendment, is under color of law based upon a legally-executed warrant.

Your application does not rise to the level required by the Constitution.

Second, the Sixth Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees the accused (understanding that this applies most directly to a criminal prosecution) the right to confront his/her accuser(s):

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
Your application would have allowed the poster of an accusation to remain anonymous, while opening the owner of the firearm to public scrutiny. You have established the presumption that failure to maintain what YOU consider to be common sense firearm safety practices rises to the level of criminality. This is a patent violation of the Sixth Amendment right to confront one's accuser. You would allow an anonymous person, without any objective proof of an actual crime or even an act of negligence, to accuse one who legally owns a firearm and keeps it in the privacy of their own home of such negligence or criminality. Again, your project is without any basis in the US Constitution; on the contrary, it violates the most basic protections enumerated under the Constitution.

Furthermore, your application would have been prone to massive abuse by those who have the agenda of ridding our country of firearms altogether. Yes, you provided a nice drop-down menu listing those conditions you consider to be dangerous, but someone who is determined to "out" firearms owners is not going to be constrained by such things. You open up people who have been so identified to possible theft, harassment, or worse, death.

Finally, your true design is clearly stated for all to see: "…to draw out earnest expressions from the radical anti-gun-safety community…" Of course, what constitutes an "earnest expression" from an "anti-gun-safety" "radical" is dictated by your own arbitrary definitions. It is apparent that anyone who disagrees with your position on this issue must be an anti-gun-safety radical.

Although you will no doubt lump me in with the rest of those whom you consider to be anti-gun-safety radicals, as a Constitutional constructionist I am glad to see your unConstitutional application hacked into non-existence.


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Good message but I don't think your 6th amendment argument holds up. It doesn't apply "most directly" to criminal accusations, it applies strictly to criminal accusations. I could accuse you anonymously on this forum as being from Mars, which wouldn't be illegal or unconstitutional.

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