Should I use deadly force in my house?


TrustyCow419

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Just wondering what the law is concerning deadly force in your house in a castle law state. If I can avoid confrontation and bunker down in a room should I just avoid the fight? I got some advice from Ohio Gun Owners Community for Ohio Firearm Owners and they recommended avoiding the gun fight since after all it can go both ways but wanted to see what everyone else said here in a more pro gun forum.
 

Eidolon

Alter Kocker
Just wondering what the law is concerning deadly force in your house in a castle law state. If I can avoid confrontation and bunker down in a room should I just avoid the fight? I got some advice from Ohio Gun Owners Community for Ohio Firearm Ownersand they recommended avoiding the gun fight since after all it can go both ways but wanted to see what everyone else said here in a more pro gun forum.
The first thing we need to know is what State do you live in?

It's not hard to figure out if you're paying attention.

That said, I smell troll
 

Danieljoe1

New member
Well, I will have to go back into NV Statutes, but with my kids sleeping at the opposite end of the house as me, I feel that I "Have" to leave my bunkered room to investigate the "bump in the night" My only objective in this situation is to get to my kids and bunker down with them.

I have a 9mm in my 16 y/o room who I have given EXPLICIT instructions to bunker down in either his room or the youngests room (their doors are 3' apart, so easy to move between) and if someone who is not me calling his name enters the room, empty the mag into them when I have to work night shifts. Everything in the house is replaceable, except my kids.

I guess this would have been easier to say "Bunker down with the whole fam in the same room, the "items" are replaceable, family is not"
 
It's not hard to figure out if you're paying attention.

That said, I smell troll
"checking" a database doesn't provide proof positive as to location.
The only thing said was that the "Ohio" laws were checked, didn't say he lived there.
So you might want to clarify who you are name calling...


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Eidolon

Alter Kocker
So you might want to clarify who you are name calling...
Him, he showed up they day after Orlando with this as his first question. He states that he went to a state advocacy group and they weren't "pro gun" enough for him so he came here.

Smells like troll to me
 

JSTEINER93

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or this person could just be looking for like minded people to.compare notes with..... i dont know though.. im not a mind reader, are you?
 

bofh

Banned
Just wondering what the law is concerning deadly force in your house in a castle law state. If I can avoid confrontation and bunker down in a room should I just avoid the fight? I got some advice from Ohio Gun Owners Community for Ohio Firearm Owners and they recommended avoiding the gun fight since after all it can go both ways but wanted to see what everyone else said here in a more pro gun forum.
Given that I can not find any discussion related to this topic in the mentioned forum, the mentioned forum is brand new, and your post is rather odd, you have some explaining to do here. Some food for thought:

 

Irishguy824

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Here's the way I look at it:

If you force your way into my home, I have every right to shoot you dead without knowing why you did so. The few people with keys to my home would call before entering my house in the dead of night, so with no phone call and the fact that you had to break a pane of glass to enter, I know you're in my home for reasons that aren't legal.

I don't know if you're on drugs, if you just want to rob me of the things I've worked my ass off for, if you want to do me or my family harm, and if you don't intend to but will if we don't cooperate with what you want us to do.

So I will use deadly force to protect myself, my family, and my home. Hopefully I don't have to because me meeting you with a loaded gun changed your mind about what you entered my house to do, but if it doesn't you won't be walking out of my house, I can promise you that.
 

bofh

Banned
FYI: This was the OP's one and only post in this forum. The OP mentions another firearms discussion forum that is brand new. The OP refers to a discussion in that forum that doesn't exist. The OP itself is also rather odd, as it seems to suggest that this forum is more pro-gun and therefore suggests something different than the other forum.

In summary, I believe the OP is a troll post.
 

Penny26

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Why is this site so complicated to read threw I was just wondering if in Vermont and someone breaks into your house will you go to jail if you shoot and kill them?
 

bofh

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Why is this site so complicated to read threw I was just wondering if in Vermont and someone breaks into your house will you go to jail if you shoot and kill them?
Your question is hypothetical. It always depends on the circumstances and state law. You would need to look up the state law to identify what is legal and what is not. You should read Vermont Statute § 2305. Justifiable homicide.

Vermont does not have a Castle Doctrine in its laws. Case law has generally upheld the right to self defense without a duty to retreat. However, there is no stand your ground statute. Read Vermont Model Criminal Jury Instructions.

I certainly can claim to be an Internet expert on deadly force and tell you all kinds of stories about what is legal and what is not. If you end up shooting someone based on my advise, then it is still your behind that goes to jail not mine. When in doubt, ask a lawyer.
 

HKS

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Why is this site so complicated to read threw I was just wondering if in Vermont and someone breaks into your house will you go to jail if you shoot and kill them?
If you did not invite the person into your home, then you can pretty much shoot them in a castle state.

I would not recommend shooting them in the back unless they are potentially harmful to your children or others however.

And if they are trying to get out of your house, it is a good idea to let them go.

Vermont however is NOT a castle doctrine state. They have very few gun laws, and they leave everything up to the courts.

The courts will rely on the Vermont statutes. Statutes like this usually excuse homicide on the basis of self defense. But self defense requires an imminent threat to your life or of serious injury before you can reasonably employ it. And a "reasonable person" presumption will also be employed. Whatever you did must have been what a reasonable person would have done.

Homicide is the killing of another human being.

Homicide is only justifiable for self defense against threats to your life or from serious injury to your person.

So what is it that you are worried about? Burglaries? Home invasion? Spouse abuse?
 

BlackBook

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Just wondering what the law is concerning deadly force in your house in a castle law state. If I can avoid confrontation and bunker down in a room should I just avoid the fight? I got some advice from Ohio Gun Owners Community for Ohio Firearm Owners and they recommended avoiding the gun fight since after all it can go both ways but wanted to see what everyone else said here in a more pro-gun forum.
Ohio has no Duty to retreat while you're in your own home or vehicle. You don't have to hide.

Lawriter - ORC - 2307.601 No duty to retreat in residence or vehicle.
Lawriter - ORC - 2901.09 No duty to retreat in residence or vehicle.

Caution: The law stipulates that you must be in your own home for these laws to apply.
  • If you're at a friend's SuperBowl party and a few thugs break down the door, your friend can draw his gun but you can not. You have to flee first because it's not your residence.
  • If your girlfriend picked you up from work and you experience a road-rager on the way home, you DO have a duty to retreat before using lethal force; you are not in your vehicle, you are in her vehicle.

Ohio has made great progress in repealing draconian gun control laws over the last couple decades, but unfortunately, silly rules like these are still on the books.

*****
Regarding Castle-Doctrine, there are state-specific details, so let's use Texas. Generally, you cannot use deadly force for simple trespassing. If someone opens your unlocked front door, walks in and just stands there, you can not shoot them (Texas Penal Code §9.41 authorizes force, not deadly force. When Texas law authorizes lethal force the law is careful to say exactly "lethal force"). The trespasser has to also be committing an forcible felony.

An example of a state-specific detail is the above does not apply in Texas after dark (Texas Penal Code §9.42). In Texas, after dark, if someone opens your unlocked front door, walks in and does nothing else, you can shoot them because the law views that as burglary. Texas has a long history of land-grabs and property disputes Not every Castle-Doctrine state has such a provision, however.

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Regarding whether or not you should hide, IMO you should not kill someone unless you absolutely have to. Forget the legal and financial consequences for a moment, you will not enjoy PTSD.
 

BlackBook

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Why is this site so complicated to read threw I was just wondering if in Vermont and someone breaks into your house will you go to jail if you shoot and kill them?
No. You would not go to jail.

I say that as an absolute statement only for convenience. It's impossible to strangers on the internet to give a definitive answer, especially since the exact details of an actual event need to be known.

What I mean by my overly simplistic answer is you would have a case to make that your use of lethal force was reasonably needed to stop burglary and a violent trespasser.
 

Eidolon

Alter Kocker
No. You would not go to jail.

I say that as an absolute statement only for convenience. It's impossible to strangers on the internet to give a definitive answer, especially since the exact details of an actual event need to be known.

What I mean by my overly simplistic answer is you would have a case to make that your use of lethal force was reasonably needed to stop burglary and a violent trespasser.
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