Veterans Disarmament Act is coming true


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Red Hat

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For those that thought that this bill wouldn't effect veterans diagnosed with PTSD, well you were wrong. I'm a Chapter Commander and the Chapter Service Officer for our local DAV. Yesterday I was talking to a Veteran that just received his service connection with PTSD and he told me that he had to go for an interview and one question she asked was did he own any weapons. He told her yes and that he planed to buy a few more and get his CWP. She told him he could keep the weapons he has but from now on he couldn't buy any new weapons. He asked why and she stated since he had been diagnosed with PTSD under the new law he could no longer purchase any weapon.

Good read:
http://www.gunowners.org/a010808.htm
 

Remember that this bill was supported by the NRA. Should this be the only reason he would be denied, contact them and get them involved. It's a law that should never have passed and may cause those in need of help not to get it.
 

The Gunny

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I think this is a huge slap in the face to all who have served this country. If the individual really has a medical condition then just address it through the system of laws already on the books. If they would just fix the system to make it fair. In other words alter the HIPPA act to allow adequate checking of all records not just to single out the military members for unfair treatment under this new law. I might not have a problem with it if it was fair to all of society. As it stands now the serviceman, or woman, is unfairly singled out. The civilian does not face any such restriction he can be nuttier than a fruit cake, as in the Virginia Tech idiot or Hinkley or plug in jsut about any name here, and still get a gun. This somehow seems unfair to me. It puts an unfair, unjust extra burden on the military member. I know plenty of guys who have mild forms of PTSD, it happens. I would even say at one time I felt I had it. Everyone who has seen a certain amount of combat has to deal with inner demmons re-living certain scenes etc. It is just how you deal with it some guys have seen more sh*t and need more help. Others seem to be better epuipt to handle things just through their own strength or what ever you want to call it. I just see it as a huge slap in the face to all who have served their nation especially the ones who fought for it. A black do indeed.
 

Jay

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I find this interesting. I've been service-connected for many years, and I have NEVER been asked anything even remotely related to guns. My service connection was granted based on examination by a physician, but I was NEVER "interviewed" by anyone.

I checked at work today (VA Hospital) and none of the C&P people have ever heard of any questions related to firearms, unless the Vet has been deemed to be a danger to him/her self or others. I'll check with the regional Director Monday or Tuesday and see what info (if any) I can come up with.
 

Red Hat

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Please do that Jay. I have no reason to not believe this vet because he was in the dark about the law. I'm going to make some call Monday to our Columbia office and see what they say. I hope that this is a case of someone at the VA reading into something that's not there.
 

Brainchild

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Well,if you think about it,from the perspective of a tyrant wanting to take your guns,and subsequently everything else away,it makes sense.take away the weapons of the veterans,who are trained and proficient in the use of them.Then find a way to take them away from the civilians.
Those bastards.We gotta find a way to get rid of this thing.I'm all for looking at some medical records to see if somebody really is a danger to others.Like if he told his doc he wants to kill a bunch of people then himself.But I truly think the vast majority of people who seek psychological care are not dangerous to anybody.They just need a little help.I HOPE this is a misunderstanding and it's not as bad as it seems.But when Catscratch McCarthy and Schmuck Schumer sign off an something,I have to be concerned.
 

grizlybear45

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i have to agree and think that someone should rattle nra's chains too. i was shocked when i heard they backed this up. it sure didn't get my vote. we can't give an inch or they will take the whole damn thing!!!
 

HK4U

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The liberals will keep chiping away until all there is no private ownership of firearms.
 

Jay

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Red Hat,

I made a few calls today, and I will NOT say that I have the last, absolutely correct word on this...... but

At this point in time. There has been no instruction to the VA re HR 2640. There also does NOT exist at this time any internal policy that I could find regarding PTSD and firearms. The only VA generated document I could find that mentions firearms and forms, is VA form 10-0435 which may be used (by policy) if a patient's history indicates potential issues with EITHER firearms OR driving. Response to the questions on this form is 100% VOLUNTARY. Here's a link to the form.

http://www1.va.gov/vhapublications/ViewPublication.asp?pub_ID=1351

If you'll check the lower left corner of the form, you'll notice that the last modification to this form was December of 2005.
 

Red Hat

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Thanks Jay. I didn't get any return calls today. I have several people trying to see if our SC VA has decided to read into the new law. According to HR 2640 that form shouldn't give them a reason to put someone on the list. In order to be placed on the list the Vet has to be adjudicated or been confined in a mental institution.
 

Jay

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I have my doubts if "the list" even exists yet. There are some significant hoops to jump through before a "list" can be generated.

Red Hat, I've a few other inquiries in the works, and will let you know what shakes out here in Indiana. Consider this, I don't see anything happening at any one VA facility until the logistics are in place for it to happen VA-wide, and at this time nothing related to HR 2640 is happening at the VA I work at.
 

Red Hat

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I just got this reply re HR 2640 from Senator Dan Burton today.....

Here's a link to the scans........

Page 1
http://personal.swayzee.com/jayb/burton.jpg

Page 2
http://personal.swayzee.com/jayb/burton1.jpg


Thanks jay. I still haven't got anything back from my sources. The more I read It actually doesn't look too bad. I guess time will tell.


Write President Bush and urge him to VETO the Veterans Disarmament Bill...

The NRA sold us out on this one...

BUSH is our last chance to kill it...

DO IT NOW!

http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm

A little too late there Bohemian! It's already law. Read some of the info Jay found and what NRA said about this bill. I think there are some misinformed people at our State VA that are giving out erroneous info and that will be taken care of. The more I read the more I think people may have made more out of this than was necessary.
 

Bohemian

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Thanks jay. I still haven't got anything back from my sources. The more I read It actually doesn't look too bad. I guess time will tell.




A little too late there Bohemian! It's already law. Read some of the info Jay found and what NRA said about this bill. I think there are some misinformed people at our State VA that are giving out erroneous info and that will be taken care of. The more I read the more I think people may have made more out of this than was necessary.


It was my understanding that although Congress has voted it in; it remained on the presidents desk to sign or veto...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2640

Apparently George W. BUSH sold us out on the second amendment on January 8th, 2008 as did the NRA and he still needs to hear from us! as do our senators and representatives ! and the Media!
 
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