Walmart goes anti-gun


FBMG Smithy

Gunsmith
This was posted over on OpenCarry.org:

schwarzi88 on OCOD wrote:
sorry this is a lil late but i had some major stuff to take care of at my house...... Anyways, i was at the Walmart at 106th south and 5th west on thurs July 3rd around 8:30 PM when i was asked to leave ..... i was not even in there for 10 min. as 2 [bottom]. Mngs came up to me and asked me to put my sidearm in the car befor i continue doing my shopping .... i told him that coprate stated ....bla bla bla ....bla bla ...... and i asked to talk to the district Mng. .... he told me he wasn't avalible and when i said that i was not going anywhere until he got ahold of him someone on the walky talky said to call the police..... that was my cue, lolol. so on the way to the door the 2nd [bottom]. Mng went to get me a supposed E-Mail that the legal department sent to all the stores. So as i passed the door greeter i asked her to give me a paper and a pen so i can write down the names of both [bottom]. Mng. As luck would have it i saw a LEO patroling the parking lot and i asked the male [bottom]. Mng. to go talk to her and clear some things up ....... to make a long story short she asked them why they didn't post sighns against Weapons to avoid this all the time ..... they said that since it was Private property they didn't have to ..... so about that time the 2nd [bottom]. Mng came out and handed me the 2 E-Mails......... i'm gonna paste these on here and u guys argue it out. I just think that Walmart is using its power as a corp. Giant to do as it pleases and silly enough gets away with it! I'm thinking that they have a lawsuit waiting to happen just to proove a point ...... maybe get a $10,000 Gift card out of it lol. well guys all jokes aside i think this prob shoud be addressed!

Looks like this affects both OC and CC, check out the emails below (sorry they are so small please open them to read them):




Lets flood Mark Johnson's office with emails and bring this crap to an end.
 

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boris

New member
the sad thing is

the company can and will get away with it because it is the world's largest retailer and alot of gun owners, like myself and the wife work at our local store. might be different in Texas , but this needs to be addressed before a Luby's type incident occurs. a armed society is polite society. thanks for the email addy. as soon as i can think of how to write my thoughts about this without getting fired i am going to. calling him a scumbag might be a little far for me een though it's probably the truth.
 

FBMG Smithy

Gunsmith
the company can and will get away with it because it is the world's largest retailer and alot of gun owners, like myself and the wife work at our local store. might be different in Texas , but this needs to be addressed before a Luby's type incident occurs. a armed society is polite society. thanks for the email addy. as soon as i can think of how to write my thoughts about this without getting fired i am going to. calling him a scumbag might be a little far for me een though it's probably the truth.

It took me a little bit to put inteligent thought together too. This instance happening at a walmart I go to got me fired up enough to curse. It's better that I pulled it off without it.
 

KimberRB

New member
When I HAVE TO go to Wally Word I am covered and have had no problem. But like most of you I try to avoid that place as much as I can. It is time for them to get knock down some getting to big. They are a store not the gov.
 

FBMG Smithy

Gunsmith
Of coarse I go covered. I have to admit that even though I can I have only gone out open once and that was because I went out with the wife after work and didn't have anything with me to cover it with. The thing that bothers me is that the wally's email lists concealed weapons too. I've never had a problem and I go there concealed often. To be turned away like that when concealing would be the straw that breaks the camels back. I wouldn't go back.
 

HK4U

New member
I don't shop often there either. The few times that I have in the last year I always carry concealed and have not had a problem but that I am sure is due to the fact that it is concealed and they did not know. If I am ever asked not to carry or if they ever put signs up to prevent me from carrying I will never go back. I make it a practice not to spend my money anywhere where my 2nd amendment rights are violated.
 

MP3Mogul

New member
I open carry at the 3 WalMarts in my area "all" of the time without any incident. I am sure every store manager has seen me, and most nod, smile or wave a hand. They know that I am not a LEO, and they have no problem. My local WalMart (other in my area are a few miles further), the manager there told me that their corporate policy is that they follow the LAW OF THE STATE IN WHICH THE STORE IS LOCATED.

My wife works for WalMart, and today she verified this policy with corporate in Arkansas...
 
Reguardless of what you think, you MUST follow the state law in reguards to open or concealed carry. If the state law states a retailor has the right to tell you no carry on his or her property then that's the way it is.. It is the law like it or not... If you break the law you make things harder for gun owners.. All of us must obey the law... as it is written not as we see it..
 
Reguardless of what you think, you MUST follow the state law in reguards to open or concealed carry. If the state law states a retailor has the right to tell you no carry on his or her property then that's the way it is.. It is the law like it or not... If you break the law you make things harder for gun owners.. All of us must obey the law... as it is written not as we see it..

This happened in the state of Utah. I'd suggest that you check the laws for the state of Utah, then post again. I'm not a lawyer, but from my understanding of Utah law, the OP was not in violation.




gf
 

MP3Mogul

New member
My wife says that there is no "written" policy. But if a store manager, or asst manager calls corporate, this is the policy they will tell the manager.

While there are "ROGUE" managers, i.e. district and regional that includes the ones that wrote the offending email, these are few and far between. If you were to go over there head and write the corporate office, you would find out that the policy expressed in that email, is not in the policy with WalMart.

To test the theory, my wife contacted Corporate yesterday (she's a WalMart Manager), and she stated she was concerned about an individual openly carrying a handgun in a holster. They informed her that there was nothing she could do, that open carry was "LEGAL" in the state of Virginia, and that WalMart's policy is to follow the laws of the state in which the store is located.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
This actually is pretty surprising to me because I have seen many times on other forums how gun friendly Wal Mart generally is. Maybe what you're alluding to is simply an isolated incident at one store and not indicative of what goes on at Wal Marts nationwide. Not quite ready to boycott the company altogether just yet.
 

7.62

New member
Anti-Gun - i don't know about that. I, along with others were OCing in a walmart just this past weekend. It may be a state/local thing.
 
W Mart

I only go there because they are cheap on amo. I get 9 mm 100 count for 18.42 where it is about 10 bucks over that at Gander Mountain across the parking lot. They are slow, some of their people uninformed but on my last purchase ( 2 box 9mm and a 550 22 LR) I saved about $25 - like getting a box free (which I did). That being said, they while not gun unfriendly, they are gun embarrassed - ammo is hidden under the counter and the only guns they have a pellet.

Oh well...... buy what you can when you can because you may not be able to tomorrow
 

MP3Mogul

New member
As I posted above, and my wife stated, it's just some "ROGUE" manager, and they are not following their corporate policy. Kind of like liberal judges sitting on the bench "writing" law instead of following law.
 
laws in Utah

I checked the laws on this web page and found the following:

Places off-limits when carrying:
The concealed firearm permit only exempts the permit holder from three laws: carrying a concealed and loaded firearm in a vehicle; carrying a concealed firearm on your person and; carrying a loaded and concealed firearm on or about school property. All other state and federal laws still apply. Such as, you may not carry a firearm in secured areas of an airport and you may not carry a firearm in secure federal buildings. These areas should always be posted. But please be aware of these restrictions in case they are not posted.

1. A person with a permit to carry a concealed firearm may not carry a concealed firearm in any secure area. A secure area may be established at an airport, higher education institution, or courthouse. A mental health facility or correctional facility may be designated by rule as an area in which no firearm or ammunition may be transported, sold, given, or possessed upon the facility. At least one notice shall be prominently displayed at each entrance to any secure area in which a firearm is restricted. Provisions shall be made to provide a secure firearms storage area so that persons with lawfully carried firearms may store them while they are in the secure area.
2. A person licensed to carry a concealed firearm may not knowingly and intentionally transport a firearm into a house of worship or a private residence after notice has been given that firearms are prohibited.

Alcohol and Drugs:
There is nothing in state statute that prohibits permit holders from being in a bar with a concealed firearm. However, it is illegal to be intoxicated and in possession of a firearm. The level of intoxication that is considered illegal is the same standard as when driving a car. (.08 B.A.C.)

Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
Utah is a Castle Doctrine state and has a stand-your-ground law.



Open Carry:

Prohibited in most public areas (public streets, secure areas, etc.)


It appears open carry is not allowed ..

Maybe that is why he was asked to leave Wal-mart.....
 
Utah Law

This happened in the state of Utah. I'd suggest that you check the laws for the state of Utah, then post again. I'm not a lawyer, but from my understanding of Utah law, the OP was not in violation.




gf

Checked the law on this web page. It states the following for Utah:

Open Carry:

Prohibited in most public areas (public streets, secure areas, etc.)

I don't know if this would include Wal-Mart or not but I would think you have to walk on a public street to get there and I believe he was open carring...
 

SubHntr

New member
Check the law

Here is the info I've been able to find.
Utah Code -- Title 76 -- Chapter 10 -- Offenses Against Public Health, Safety, Welfare, and Morals

Utah Laws Related To Firearms And Weapons

76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm: (a) in or on a vehicle;
(b) on any public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area. (2) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.

The term LOADED is where there is room for interpretation. The actual definition for loaded in utah law is:

76-10-502. When weapon deemed loaded.
(1) For the purpose of this chapter, any pistol, revolver, shotgun, rifle, or other weapon described in this part shall be deemed to be loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile in the firing position.
(2) Pistols and revolvers shall also be deemed to be loaded when an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile is in a position whereby the manual operation of any mechanism once would cause the unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile to be fired.
(3) A muzzle loading firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinders.



If you check something please post a link to it instead of being short with people. Some of us like to investigate claims instead of jumping around. WE are all adults and know we must obey the law!! We don't need someone playing mom and dad.

Jim
 

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