Weapons cache stuns agents!


Canis-Lupus

New member
Who says we ain't got some Washington state fellas who pack heavy?
A 65-year-old Spokane man has been ordered held in custody on federal charges of illegally possessing automatic weapons and illegally storing explosives in a Bellevue commercial storage shed while agents investigate how he came to possess a huge military-grade arsenal that included grenade launchers, machine guns and plastic explosives.
Ronald Struve, heavyset and bearded, appeared in Seattle before U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Alice Theiler on Tuesday after being extradited from Spokane, where he was arrested Jan. 7 during a raid by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).
In four searches in Bellevue and Spokane, agents seized 37 machine guns, 12 silencers, two grenade launchers, more than 60 high-explosive grenades, several pounds of military-grade C-4 plastic explosives and thousands of rounds of ammunition. :ph34r: [Blows me away 2 put it mildly!] (link to full story below)
Local News | Weapons cache stuns agents | Seattle Times Newspaper
A well regulated Militia of one I guess!

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HK4U

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heavyset and bearded
Well I guess that makes him a real threat. All us heavyseat bearded guys better watch out.
 

redboneshadow

Former Military Police
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

“The rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Does not say “Firearms”, it does not say “modern arms” (for those times) – it says “arms”, the dictionary definition of which is, “any weapon”!
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
Unfortunately WA is not a class III/NFA State so they were illegal at the State level even if he had ATF tax stamps for everything; short barreled rifles and shotguns are illegal there too. That's why I will not live there. I will only live in a class III/NFA legal States.

As much as I would have drooled over acquiring the contents of that storage unit I would have called ATF myself to report it, it's not worth being in Leavenworth for the remainder of your life over if you're made. I would have asked the agents if anything is legally registered and transferable in accordance to NFA if I have possible claim to it and would have lined up a class 3 FFL really quickly to help me with the find.
 

rockwerks

New member
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

“The rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Does not say “Firearms”, it does not say “modern arms” (for those times) – it says “arms”, the dictionary definition of which is, “any weapon”!
This interpretation of the 2nd will come under fire during the Obama reign. He will probably be appointing at least one supreme court justice to the high court. Heller won by 5-4 a very slim margin. With one new justice with anti gun sentiments, could easily change interpretation from an individual right to a right of the states, under this each state will have the right to interpret what exactly constitutes a militia.
 
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gpbarth

Guest
Now, THAT'S my kind of patriot! I was drooling just reading the inventory description. Believe me, if I had unlimited funds (c'mon, FL lottery!), I might not have grenades and RPGs, but I'd have several automatic weapons, including shotguns and maybe a belt-fed or two, and some AK's and M-16s, and a whole wall full of handguns.
 
Unfortunately WA is not a class III/NFA State so they were illegal at the State level even if he had ATF tax stamps for everything; short barreled rifles and shotguns are illegal there too. That's why I will not live there. I will only live in a class III/NFA legal States.
I don't know what you consider a 'short barreled' shotgun but 18" barrels are legal here in WA.
 
My Mossberg is 36" overall, I could trim 10" off that by removing the stock and adding a grip like yours. It is loaded with 3" magnum Buckshot and it holds 5 +1. Since it is strictly for HD it serves me well enough. Besides I like to brace it against my shoulder.
 

Glockster20

Clinging to God and guns
Another one!

And 3,000 miles away, another huge weapons cache discovered.

N.J. troopers discover huge weapons cache

N.J. troopers discover huge weapons cache

By Allison Steele and Jan Hefler
Philadelphia Inquirer

GLOUCESTER COUNTY, N.J. — New Jersey state police say they discovered a massive arsenal of weapons and ammunition at the Gloucester County home of a former police officer who allegedly pulled a gun on two troopers.

Brian Hinkle, 59, was arrested Monday on charges of aggravated assault after officers went to his home in Franklin Township to investigate a burglary in the area. When they asked him to go to the police station for questioning, authorities said, Hinkle ran into his house and brandished a gun.


Police who over the next three days searched Hinkle's house and other buildings on his property say they found 259 firearms and nearly a half-million rounds of ammunition.

Hinkle also had a live grenade and several other hazardous items, including a canister of tear gas, authorities said. Officers said they discovered weapons stored in a bunker that Hinkle apparently built out of an old septic tank and some carpeting.

"This is more ammunition than a gun store would have," said Detective Sgt. Mike Peterson, one of the state police officers whom Hinkle allegedly threatened.

Hinkle's collection could be the largest stockpile of weapons state police have ever uncovered in an investigation, Sgt. Steve Jones said.

It is against the law to own a live grenade as well as a few other items found on the property. It was not yet known whether any of Hinkle's guns were illegally obtained, police said. He may face additional charges depending on the outcome of an investigation.

Police have not offered any theories as to why Hinkle, a Vineland police officer in the 1980s, amassed the weapons.

"That's a question we would like to know the answer to," Jones said. "It's not illegal to possess guns. It's not illegal to dig a hole in your property. But there's odd behavior here that makes us have reason to believe there's illegal activity."

Hinkle's small, two-story house sits at the end of a dirt driveway off Rosemont Avenue, a rural road with lots of open space and mostly new houses that border Newfield. His four-acre property, which is cluttered with car parts, a boat and other items, has several trailers and storage sheds. Police said they found weapons in all of the buildings.

Hinkle's lot is mostly blocked from view by trees along Rosemont Avenue. A neighbor said yesterday she had not known that Hinkle kept so much on his property until this week's police activity prompted her to take a look.

Hinkle has no known criminal record, said Jones, who did not know how Hinkle had been employed since leaving the Vineland Police Department. An officer in that department who did not want to give his name said that Hinkle was not a problem there and that he left under ordinary circumstances.

The chain of events that brought officers to Hinkle's house began last week, when burglars twice struck a farmhouse in Upper Pittsgrove, Salem County.

On Jan. 22, the second time the two burglars hit the house, the owner caught them in the act and called authorities.

Troopers found them in their alleged getaway car and arrested the driver, Anthony D'Allessandro, 42, of Williamstown, on charges of burglary. D'Allessandro's passenger opened the door and ran off, Jones said. The suspect, Peter Monteleone Jr., 44, of Folsom, is still sought on burglary charges.

State police put out bulletins seeking information about Monteleone. A trucking company responded, saying it had recently arranged to drop off a trailer for Monteleone on Hinkle's property. The officers went there Monday and found Hinkle outside.

Jones would not comment on the conversation that officers had with Hinkle, but during the exchange they determined they needed to take him in for questioning. He agreed to go and asked permission to go inside for a jacket.

Jones said that Hinkle then slammed the door and that the officers found him holding a handgun in the kitchen, where he was disarmed and arrested.

He was charged with aggravated assault on a police officer and released on bail. Police are investigating the connection between Hinkle and Monteleone.

Hinkle, who has not stayed in his house since his arrest, was expected to be allowed back into it last night, Jones said.

Yesterday afternoon, state troopers were still milling around the area, and a police trailer was set up near Hinkle's house. Clearing out the weapons took most of three days, Jones said. Officers used a forklift to remove the ammunition, which was stored on a dozen pallets. The bomb squad was called in to detonate the grenade, and officers destroyed some old ammunition that appeared hazardous.

News of Hinkle's arsenal was a shock to his neighbors, who said he always kept to himself. Franklin Township Clerk Carolyn Toy, who lives four houses away, said he lived alone with his dog, a retriever.

"He was always very pleasant to me," she said. "He'd plow our driveway when there's snow and it was free."

Marge Pfrommer, deputy mayor of Franklin Township, said residents were not too shaken by the week's events. Pfrommer, who has lived in Franklin for 50 years, said she had never heard any complaints about Hinkle. It's a quiet neighborhood, she said.

"Sometimes you can't know what's going on with residents and what they have behind closed doors," she said.

Copyright 2009 Philadelphia Inquirer
 
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LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
Unfortunately WA is not a class III/NFA State so they were illegal at the State level even if he had ATF tax stamps for everything; short barreled rifles and shotguns are illegal there too. That's why I will not live there. I will only live in a class III/NFA legal States.
I don't know what you consider a 'short barreled' shotgun but 18" barrels are legal here in WA.
Short (barreled) firearms per the NFA of 1934;
  • Rifles with a barrel length less than 16" and an overall length less than 26" with the shoulder stock fully extended.
  • Shotguns with a barrel length less than 18" and an overall length less than 26" with the shoulder fully stock extended.
These short firearms are regulated by BATFE the same way machine guns are. They need to be federally registered with BATFE.

WA State prohibits all NFA/class III/title II firearms by State law. They are legal to manufacture or possess if there is no State law prohibiting it after you get the appropriate stamped form back from ATF. Since my first AR-15 build will be a short rifle it would be illegal for me to take it to WA for any purpose other than passing through under 18 USC 926A.
 

Teamdigit

Nevada/Utah CCW Intructor
Washington is a beautiful state and I was raised in the Puget Sound area. It's a shame that I can't have my toys there. ALL of that stuff is legal to have here in Nevada.

I don't understand the reasoning in WA law regarding suppressors. I can own one but I can't use it. That is bizarre. Half the fun of having Class III toys is sharing with those who don't.
 

Booga

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I don't understand the reasoning in WA law regarding suppressors. I can own one but I can't use it. That is bizarre.
Indeed, the silencers are legal, so long as he's paid the taxes. As for not being able to use one, there is a state senator in WA that is trying to get it changed so that people can use the silencers for hunting and target practice. He seems to be aware that it makes gun ranges and hunters much better neighbors by reducing the noise levels produced by those activities.
 

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