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  1. #11
    I have traveled with my gun. I put it in a pistol safe and locked it in the trunk - of my car that is. I have always been leery of sending it through in checked luggage. Unfortunately, not all employees of the airlines are model citizens.

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  3. #12
    Since I'm flying out on Friday, I double checked the requirement for traveling with firearms, and it is pretty much the same. Just thought I would share with you what it is, this is straight from the US Airways site:


    Firearms
    US Airways will allow passengers to transport firearms in accordance with Federal Law.

    •Items of shooting equipment will be accepted as checked baggage only.

    •A passenger who presents checked baggage that contains a firearm must declare the weapon and sign a written acknowledgement that the firearm is unloaded.

    •Firearms must be packed in a manufacturer’s hard–sided container specifically designed for the firearm, a locked hard–sided gun case, or a locked hard–sided piece of luggage. Handguns may be packed in a locked hard–sided gun case, and then packed inside an unlocked soft–sided piece of luggage. However, a Conditional Acceptance Tag must be used in this case.

    •Baggage containing firearms must be locked at all times and the key or lock combination retained by the passenger.

    •A Firearm Unloaded Declaration form (available only at the airport) must be signed and placed inside the bag or gun case.

    •Checked ammunition may not exceed 11 lbs/5 kg per person. Ammunition must be packed in the original manufacturing package or constructed of wood, fiber, plastic, or metal and provide separation for cartridges. Ammunition may be checked in the same piece of luggage as a firearm. No additional documentation is required.

    •There is no limit to the number of items contained in rifle, shotgun or pistol case, up to 50 lbs/23 kg, 62 in/157 cm in maximum.

    •A passenger who presents a firearm to be checked to an international destination must be in possession of all required import documentation for their international destination city and any international transit points. It is the responsibility of the passenger to acquire the required documentation from the applicable government entity prior to travel (usually a consulate or embassy). Firearms will not be accepted for transport if international import requirements have not been met.

  4. #13
    i imagine you had some case with a lock? did you need to pick it up at desk after flight?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by harveydent View Post
    i imagine you had some case with a lock? did you need to pick it up at desk after flight?
    There would be no reason for luggage containing a firearm to go anywhere other than the normal carousel. Carriers are prohibited from marking the outside of containers with firearms in then to indicate the presence of a fire. So, to the carrier, the luggage with the gun is just like any other luggage.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  6. #15

    Taking My Traveling Companion for A Plane/Train Ride

    Having traveled a number of times, here's how I go at it:
    1. Review http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm[/URL] to understand TSA policies and procedures. Have a copy with you when you reach the airport.
    2. Put the unloaded weapon(s) in a lockable hard-sided case with locks only you have the keys/combination to open. TSA locks are not allowed.
    3. Steps that will make it easier to show that the weapon is unloaded - especially when x-rayed.
      • If the weapon is a:
        • semi-automatic
          • lock the slide open
          • put a cable tie through the barrel and out the breach to show that the chamber is empty
        • revolver, flip the cylinder out
      • Do not put the magazines in this locked case with the gun(s):
        • it invites questions about them being loaded
        • if the gun case is "liberated" from the checked bag by a Criminal Entrepreneur, the lack of magazines frustrates the "Liberator", since the weapon is now initially a single shot one
    4. Check the airline(s) you are flying on:
      • To determine if the ammo
        • MUST be in boxes (plastic reload boxes work)
        • can fly in loaded magazines
      • If loaded magazines are permitted, make sure the pouches fully cover the magazine top where the cartridges are visible.
      • The round(s) from the chamber(s)/cylinder(s) must be in a box, not loose
    5. Secure and protect magazines (separately from the weapon) and ammunition boxes from possible damage.
    6. Put the lockable hard-sided case with the weapon and the ammo/magazines into a cheap, non-descript bag - with clear labeling outside and inside - for checking in.
      • If possible, develop a way to attach - in a lockable way - the hard-sided case to the piece of luggage it has been placed into.
      • The labeling should be limited to:
        • Your Name
        • Your Cell Phone - if you have one, or your home phone if you do not
        • Your personal email address - if you have one
        • NO ADDRESSES, JOB TITLES, ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD BE INDICATED
    7. Other stuff - like shampoo, mouthwash, toothpaste, etc, could be in this checked bag also.
    8. Have the rules for the airline in hand when you check this non-descript bag at the airport.
    9. Make sure you have the keys/combinations to the lockable hard-sided case with you and you alone (Per Federal Regulations 49CFR § 1540.111 Carriage of weapons, explosives, and incendiaries by individuals - Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:) at all times. You will have to open the lockable hard-side case:
      • to demonstrate to the airline that the weapon(s) are not loaded at check in (a signed form/tag indicating that will go in with the weapon(s))
      • if the TSA wants to see
    10. Have the serial number(s) and descriptions of your weapons on you, so if they "disappear" you can report the loss/theft immediately to the:
      • airline
      • FAA Regional Office
      • ATF Regional Office
    Other things to consider:
    1. Check Handgunlaw.us and/or Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps | USA Carry to determine:
      • If you can possess the weapon at all your stops
      • Where and how you can carry at all your stops
      • What are the deadly force rules in each state you are visiting
    2. Have a copy of the Don Young Transportation Letter on hand - http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/doj_doc_nyc_air.pdf. This covers changing modes of travel - car to plane to car - in a single journey.
    Orlando, FL

  7. ATL thorough, SAT not

    Last week I flew Delta from ATL to San Antonio and back with no problem. In ATL the counter asked to see my unloaded weapon, gave me a card to sign and put IN the case, told me to take it to TSA and they opened the suitcase and guncase and swabbed everything and put it in the sniffer. After about 5 minutes they said I was good to go. I had the Kahr in a Walther case and simply put a lock tightly around the handle since there weren't any locking positions on the snaps.
    In SAT, no one asked to see that it was unloaded, they gave me a card to sign and a guy went WITH me to TSA. The case was inside my suitcase and all they did was put it on the belt to x-ray. 30 seconds later I was good to go. Best of all, when I got back to ATL everything was still there.....just like it was supposed to happen. I sure didn't wanna lose that PM9.....

  8. #17
    If you decide to declare a weapon when travelling to NY BE ADVISED, there is no problem getting it into NY. However, when you return, ship the weapon FedEx, UPS, etc back to yourself. DO NOT proceed to the local NY airport and announce that you have a weapon to declare upon your return. If you do and you are not a NY resident and don't have a NY gun permit (and I don't mean a CCW) the local PD at the airport will impound your weapon, give you a receipt for it and instructions on how to recover the weapon upon your return to your home state. It involves contacting a local NY FFL dealer and having them pick up your gun from the local PD and ship it to an FFL dealer in your home state. It cost me about $120 to get my Taurus Judge back between the dealers fees and shipping and you don't get any of your ammo back, period.
    Whenever you travel with a weapon it not only has to be unloaded but so do any magazines and the ammo either has to be in its original box or in a container made for storing ammo. It can, however, be in the same locked case as the weapon. This is per TSA, not the airlines. Bottom line is you might want to check with the PD at the destination airport, not just the airline.

  9. #18

    The Don Young Letter is Alive and Well in The People's Republic of New York

    GA Legion Rider -

    Review the Don Young Transportation Letter - http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/doj_doc_nyc_air.pdf. This covers changing modes of travel - car to plane to car - in a single journey.

    The New York Thugs know this, but were taking advantage of you.
    Orlando, FL

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    I never place the signed declaration in with the weapon. If the case is locked and only you have the key how is the TSA going to see that it was declared? I always use a shipping envelope ( the ones that are self adhesive and have a clear window) and place the signed declaration in the shipping envelope. Or you could tape it to the firearm case so it could be easily viewed if your luggage is inspected. If it is locked inside your case you may receive a page from the airline asking you to return to the counter or worse TSA could remove it. Carrying a copy of the rules always helps as I have found that some of the attendants that check you in don't have a clue as to such things. I once had a attendant argue with me that the lock had to be TSA approved. I quickly showed here the rules I printed from the TSA website and she still insisted that she was right claiming that she had been advised differently. In the end it flew my way and not hers. It may be the only time I have won an argument with a female.
    Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress;
    but I repeat myself.
    Mark Twain

  11. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSlick View Post
    .....It may be the only time I have won an argument with a female.
    And you took advantage of it???!!! Good on you! It is usually our way or the highway....
    "Don't let the door hit ya where the dawg shudda bit ya!"
    G'day and Glock
    GATEWAY SWIFT WING ST. LOUIS

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