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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerk19 View Post
    I'm going to CT from VT, travelling thru MA with a firearm in my vehicle; I'm not stopping for anything, and I could care less about your Draconian gun laws. I would if I were a criminal but I'm not.
    That's a very contradictory statement. I could care less about your laws, I'm not a criminal?

    Nice!

    KK

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    Sorry if that sounded wrong... I meant that I normally drive straight thru without stopping, unless I gotta pee so bad my back teeth are floating, I don't stop or pull over until I get to CT...

    I was trying to say that without HR822, If I were to CCW in MA I'd be labeled a criminal, with little hope of clearing myself at a cost of less than a few hundred, non spendable bucks...

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    H.R. 822: National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011 - Legislative Digest - GOP.gov

    According to this it's not so bad. plenty of ammendments to make it "fair" enough. If you're eligible to carry and have a permit you can carry in any state that issues a permit. That's what I got from it... this seems to be a pretty accurate source as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimPage View Post
    HR822 is a great danger to the 2nd ammendment! What it's proponents hope for is well and good, but can you name anything that once the Feds get a piece of, they don't impose more Fed rules? The Fed have rules for traffic and driver licensing. If a state doesn't comply, it gets no Fed funds. Same with education, public services, etc etc. HR822 allows the "camel's nose under the tent." It won't be long if 822 becomes law(ten years at the most) that the Feds will control all ccw in the country. Mark my words!!
    Words marked... I disagree. This bill isn't about federal control of CCW's. This bill is about interstate acknowledgement of a common right. The area where a person lives determines their eligibility to get a CCW and once they meet the criteria they can carry with that license in any state. At least, that's my take on this. Either way, I don't see federal control of CCW's becomming an issue in any event.

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    As of 11-20-11

    U.S. House Passes NRA-backed

    National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Legislation



    The U.S. House of Representatives has passed an important self-defense measure that would enable millions of Right-to-Carry permit holders across the country to carry concealed firearms while traveling outside their home states. H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, passed by a majority bipartisan vote of 272 to 154. All amendments aimed to weaken or damage the integrity of this bill were defeated.

    “NRA has made the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act a priority because it enhances the fundamental right to self-defense guaranteed to all law-abiding people,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “People are not immune from crime when they cross state lines. That is why it is vital for them to be able to defend themselves and their loved ones should the need arise.”

    H.R. 822, introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), allows any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes.

    This bill does not affect existing state laws. State laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within each state’s borders. H.R. 822 does not create a federal licensing system or impose federal standards on state permits; rather, it requires the states to recognize each others' carry permits, just as they recognize drivers' licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.

    As of today, 49 states have laws in place that permit their citizens to carry a concealed firearm in some form. Only Illinois and the District of Columbia deny its residents the right to carry concealed firearms outside their homes or businesses for self-defense.

    “We are grateful for the support of Speaker Boehner, Majority Leader Cantor, Majority Whip McCarthy, Judiciary Chairman Smith and primary sponsors Congressmen Stearns and Shuler for their steadfast support of H.R. 822. Thanks to the persistence of millions of American gun owners and NRA members, Congress has moved one step closer to improving crucial self-defense laws in this country,” concluded Cox.
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    I hope that it will get through the Senate. I think the votes are there but getting it by the Senate rules will be tough. I realize that there is alot of mistrust(WITH GOOD REASON) of any law comming from Washington DC. But the is a good law that deserves our support. Read it for yourselves and see if it does all of the horible things claimed. If Congress wants to enact tighter gun laws they do not need 822 to do it. Think about it being able to drive from California to Maine (not through the Peoples Republic of Illinois) and your permit is good. It MIGHT even show legislstors in the 'may issue' states that CCW isnt a bad thing and help change their laws.

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    "It MIGHT even show legislstors in the 'may issue' states that CCW isnt a bad thing and help change their laws."

    Good point! There really are a lot of great things that can come from this. Of course, the final product will show the usual markers of political debate through amendments and such but all in all the effort is there and a regulation like this is new so it can be built on as it ages. Restrictions and freedoms can be added and taken through the actions of CCW holders being smart or stupid. I find it motivating to know that effort at a high level is being made to allow a more uniform CCW law. I like to see it compared to a driver's license. Once you have it, it's recognized uniformly. Some states allow right turn on red while others might not and situations like that will always be there. (and then there's the crazy stuff like not being able to tie your giraffe to a street pole on Sundays in Georgia) The point is that the effort is there and since it's in such a young stage we all have the ability to help shape the outcome 10 years down the line through our actions.

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    I don't think it's a good law. Do LEOs have to know the gun laws of every state when they pull you over? I think someone in congress will say "why don't we have a national registry of CCP, then everyone needs to conform to federal scrutiny, just to level the playing field." Then they model the restrictions after NY when the Libs are in power. Whenever has the government taken something over and did it better? There maybe good intentions here but I think it should stay a states right issue. In my humble opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Gecko View Post
    I don't think it's a good law. Do LEOs have to know the gun laws of every state when they pull you over? I think someone in congress will say "why don't we have a national registry of CCP, then everyone needs to conform to federal scrutiny, just to level the playing field." Then they model the restrictions after NY when the Libs are in power. Whenever has the government taken something over and did it better? There maybe good intentions here but I think it should stay a states right issue. In my humble opinion.
    LEO's only have to know the laws of the state that you are in when you are pulled over. YOU have to know the laws of every state that you go through. When you go from one state to another the laws of the state you are presently in apply no matter where your permit is from.

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    Some state have the requirement to have the serial number of the weapon you carry, I don't have that issue in Texas. So now the crooks in charge are going to hand data to the Justice Dept, the same group that did not prosecute the black panthers voting issue. Illinois political crooks.

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