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    Flying with Our Glocks This Week

    Greetings!

    I thought I would post about our experience with flying Delta from Detroit to Tampa this week. We are both new to gun ownership so we were a bit leery of flying with our new Glocks. But, we have received our CPL's and we are serious about our right to carry so we decided to not go a week without carrying since Florida accepts our Michigan CPL.

    We purchased a locking metal box with a cable for each Glock. The boxes are approved for air travel and we also use them in our car when we cannot carry our pistol and need to secure them in our car. I attached the cable to the frame of our suitcase and, although it is not required, I put the magazine lock on each Glock before securing them in their respective metal box. These locks came with the Glocks and we had not used them yet. I thought it might be a good idea to use the locks for air travel. Mostly, I wanted to make sure to frustrate any would-be thief by making it hard to use my Glock if they were able to somehow steal it from my suitcase. I also packed the ammo and all of the magazines in another suitcase. This, however, is where I made a bit of a mistake. I had packed each Glock in a separate suitcase. So, when we went to the Delta ticket counter to declare our firearms, we had to open all three suitcases. It wasn't a major problem, but, it did add a few extra minutes to our check-in process. When we return home next week, we will put both Glocks and the ammo in one suitcase. We can put the magazines in another suitcase but won't have to open it for the check-in process.

    The check-in process was very simple. They wanted us to let them see the ammo (to make sure it was packed in an original box or an acceptable box) and to see the case we had for our pistols. I only had to open one pistol case for the check-in agent and, when she saw the magazine lock on the pistol, she didn't make us unlock the other case. We had to sign an orange card claiming that the pistols were unloaded (one for each pistol) and she taped this orange card on each of the pistol cases. We locked the pistol cases ourselves and kept our keys with us. We also lock our suitcases but, as you probably know, the airlines can open any suitcase locks. They claim, and I want to believe, they cannot open our pistol cases since we had the keys with us.

    Anyway, that was it. No problems at all. We checked that our pistols were still in the cases when we retrieved our suitcases upon arrival to Tampa and all was fine. The lady who checked us in at Detroit Metro was very nice and she was impressed that I had my own pistol. She said her husband carries but she never has even shot a gun. She said she was afraid to shoot and had always been afraid of guns. I thanked her but thought, well, it is probably good she just lets her husband handle it if she is afraid. I didn't have time to go into the details of why I have found gun ownership necessary and fun since we still needed to go through security to catch our flight. Hopefully she will come into contact with someone who has the time to encourage her some day soon.

    But, overall, it was a painless experience. I encourage everyone to travel with your firearm if you fly. It isn't difficult at all.

    Happy travels!

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    Glad your travels went well with Delta . I will never use delta again after they put my luggage with a firearm in it, on the wrong plane, twice within a month.

    After contacting them after the first time I got what I thought was a sincere email... then I got the exact same email after the second time they put my baggage on the wrong flight...

    Just a warning for those flying delta...
    “One of the illusions of life is that the present hour is not the critical, decisive one.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Wow, sorry to hear this! We have been flying with Delta for many years (my husband flies with Delta almost every week) and we have been fortunate, so far, with our luggage. (I hope I haven't brought us bad luck by saying this!)

  5. Quote Originally Posted by glockgirl51 View Post
    Greetings!

    I thought I would post about our experience with flying Delta from Detroit to Tampa this week. We are both new to gun ownership so we were a bit leery of flying with our new Glocks. But, we have received our CPL's and we are serious about our right to carry so we decided to not go a week without carrying since Florida accepts our Michigan CPL.

    We purchased a locking metal box with a cable for each Glock. The boxes are approved for air travel and we also use them in our car when we cannot carry our pistol and need to secure them in our car. I attached the cable to the frame of our suitcase and, although it is not required, I put the magazine lock on each Glock before securing them in their respective metal box. These locks came with the Glocks and we had not used them yet. I thought it might be a good idea to use the locks for air travel. Mostly, I wanted to make sure to frustrate any would-be thief by making it hard to use my Glock if they were able to somehow steal it from my suitcase. I also packed the ammo and all of the magazines in another suitcase. This, however, is where I made a bit of a mistake. I had packed each Glock in a separate suitcase. So, when we went to the Delta ticket counter to declare our firearms, we had to open all three suitcases. It wasn't a major problem, but, it did add a few extra minutes to our check-in process. When we return home next week, we will put both Glocks and the ammo in one suitcase. We can put the magazines in another suitcase but won't have to open it for the check-in process.

    The check-in process was very simple. They wanted us to let them see the ammo (to make sure it was packed in an original box or an acceptable box) and to see the case we had for our pistols. I only had to open one pistol case for the check-in agent and, when she saw the magazine lock on the pistol, she didn't make us unlock the other case. We had to sign an orange card claiming that the pistols were unloaded (one for each pistol) and she taped this orange card on each of the pistol cases. We locked the pistol cases ourselves and kept our keys with us. We also lock our suitcases but, as you probably know, the airlines can open any suitcase locks. They claim, and I want to believe, they cannot open our pistol cases since we had the keys with us.

    Anyway, that was it. No problems at all. We checked that our pistols were still in the cases when we retrieved our suitcases upon arrival to Tampa and all was fine. The lady who checked us in at Detroit Metro was very nice and she was impressed that I had my own pistol. She said her husband carries but she never has even shot a gun. She said she was afraid to shoot and had always been afraid of guns. I thanked her but thought, well, it is probably good she just lets her husband handle it if she is afraid. I didn't have time to go into the details of why I have found gun ownership necessary and fun since we still needed to go through security to catch our flight. Hopefully she will come into contact with someone who has the time to encourage her some day soon.

    But, overall, it was a painless experience. I encourage everyone to travel with your firearm if you fly. It isn't difficult at all.

    Happy travels!
    Congratulations! You were most fortunate to encounter airline staff members who are familiar with their employer's procedures. My past experience was quite different. When telling the young lady at the counter that I wished to transport a firearm in my check-in baggage, she nearly freaked out, called Security, and exclaimed, "Ewww!" when she saw my cased and locked handgun. Fortunately, I brought along a printed copy of her airline's policy and procedure taken from their website, and things calmed down with the help of a more mature Security staffer. Lesson learned...print out a copy of the airline's policy to present to the check-in clerk.

    Joe J

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    I did not print out the airline policy but, since there is a good chance we could come in contact with airline staff who have no idea how to do their job, I certainly will make that copy for our return flight! How pathetic and how immature! I hope you took down her name and wrote to the airline about your experience. That person needs more training, at the least. Preferably, she needs to be relieved of her job. She is in a job that requires her to provide good customer service. She does not have the right to act like a baby, regardless of her experience, or lack of experience, with firearms. She doesn't even have to touch the firearm!

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    I have never had the misfortune of having a bad counter person. I did have a tsa agent take my locked case to his supervisor to check to make sure it was compliant.

    I haven't printed out policy papers, or tsa guidelines. My plan will be to ask for a supervisor if that ever occurs...luckily with 15,000 miles flown this year so far, I haven't met a counter person who didn't know the procedure.
    “One of the illusions of life is that the present hour is not the critical, decisive one.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    We just arrived back in Michigan from Tampa yesterday. Our experience in Tampa was different than our experience in Detroit. The Delta ticket agent checked two of our bags, didn't even look at our ammunition, and then escorted us and our one suitcase that we had our Glocks locked up in, to the TSA counter where they x-rayed our suitcase to make sure they were not loaded. We didn't have a long wait for this and we had packed our Glocks with the magazine lock that comes with the gun when you buy it. We had to sign a small paper declaring that they weren't loaded and then the suitcase was x-rayed. Very different experience. My husband believes that maybe Tampa doesn't X-ray all bags that is why our suitcase and the two of us had to be escorted over to the TSA counter. The technician immediately gave us the thumbs up.

    So, in Tampa, they don't even open the boxes at the counter like the lady in Detroit did. I suppose each airport will have their quirks. All was fine, however, and nobody said "eewwww", thank goodness.

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    Glockgirl51.

    Thanks for posting this. I'm sure there are many who have not gone through the experience of taking their firearms with them on an airplane, and some that think that it might not be allowed. Information is always useful.

    I'm also glad you had a good experiences. With the ineptitude of many airlines, this isn't always the case.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

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    Florida is more accustomed to checking guns that Michigan. I would suspect that Tampa, Orlando, and Miami may have over 100 per day, and all the airports are used to seeing them. One time I was taking my pistole to Dulles, and the TSA person (a woman) used the phrase "Boys and their Toys", though more women all the time are packing....
    Orlando, FL

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    Hmm the TSA didnt do evil things to you. I thought they were the shock troops of the new world order..... Bleh.

    Thanks for posting.
    -Austin

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