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    What's the difference between a uniform concealed carry law between the states and a national concealed carry permit?
    The 2nd Admendment is for the the whole country not just certain states.

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    The Second Amendment does not address concealed carry.

    A uniform law between the states would be just that - between the states. And will be impossible to achieve with all states.

    A national permit will be federal and almost impossible to achieve. But, we must continue to try.

  4. I'm sorry but that still sounds like the same thing to me.
    If every state had the same uniform law, then that sounds like it would be a national law and visa versa.
    Every state now has a concealed carry permit law. We are all in the same country so it should not be that difficult to make a national permit law.
    Crossing a state line should not make any difference.
    Everybody that meets the requirements would be able to get a ccw permit.
    No, the 2nd admendment does not mention concealed carry but it does say you have the right to keep and bare arms, (it does not say anything
    about how) so in my opinion it should not matter. And we should not have to pay for it. It is a right not a privilege like a drivers license.

  5. I'm ambivalent about looking to the several States vs. the Federal government for relief. The 2A community needs to think long and hard about the better strategy here.
    If we concentrate on keeping gun laws at the State level we will continue to live under the mess we have today. HOWEVER, that mess that we have today was achieved one-State-at-a-time; and, now, we enjoy CC in about 40 States. That's a far cry from where we were 25 years ago.
    I'll argue that we are better off defending our rights within each State and holding our ground in 25 States than we are trying to control the WH, Senate and House. In one fell swoop we could lose all our rights on some point. E.g., the new MG ban in 1989. How did that happen? THE standard-issue select-fire M-16 is no longer available for current manufacture for retail sale to the Militia? Even the dissenters in Heller agreed that we have a 2A right to such arms. (I'm not making an argument about the MG ban; I'm making a point that it's bad strategy to put all our eggs in the Federal basket.)
    We are very good at coping with complex nonsense. Let's support our States right to "police" guns so we can keep the Feds out of the details.
    Yes, it would be nice to have a Federal law with everything we could ever wish for; ain't going to happen. Most of us would settle for a Federal law that would put a level playing field across the 50 States. E.g., 123 hours of training, 2 merit badges and a box of GS cookies and you get a national CCP. So, suppose we got that. Then, the States would consider that a minimum. The Feds would see they can change the law and take back some of the liberty we thought we got.
    I live in PA, just across the river from NJ. I would LOVE to have NJ forced to some reasonable regime. Yet, I'm thinking of the long-game; not what is convenient this year. If we can keep the States in the driver's seat then the gun grabbers can't wipe-out our 2A rights for 100 years. No free man is safe while Congress is in session.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragtown View Post
    The Second Amendment does not address concealed carry.

    A uniform law between the states would be just that - between the states. And will be impossible to achieve with all states.

    A national permit will be federal and almost impossible to achieve. But, we must continue to try.
    You might want to reread the 2A again.

    Keep and BEAR arms. What are you talking about, doesn't address conceal carry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohdah View Post
    I'm sorry but that still sounds like the same thing to me.
    If every state had the same uniform law, then that sounds like it would be a national law and visa versa.
    Every state now has a concealed carry permit law. We are all in the same country so it should not be that difficult to make a national permit law.
    Crossing a state line should not make any difference.
    Everybody that meets the requirements would be able to get a ccw permit.
    No, the 2nd admendment does not mention concealed carry but it does say you have the right to keep and bare arms, (it does not say anything
    about how) so in my opinion it should not matter. And we should not have to pay for it. It is a right not a privilege like a drivers license.
    Anybody that meets the requirements. The only requirement would be being alive. Those in power, state or federal, will never let that happen. No give or take, no compromise, the only thing that comes from those are losing more rights. How do you think driving became a privilege?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragtown View Post
    The Second Amendment does not address concealed carry.

    A uniform law between the states would be just that - between the states. And will be impossible to achieve with all states.

    A national permit will be federal and almost impossible to achieve. But, we must continue to try.
    No we mustn't. Any more federal oversight concerning our 2nd Amendment will never be good for the people. The only reason the Federal government would ever try to make a National Carry law would be to have more control over the people. Why would you support the Federal government having more power over governing our privilege of having the 2nd Amendment. It is a right. More laws governing it makes it less and less of a right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rohdah View Post
    I'm sorry but that still sounds like the same thing to me.
    If every state had the same uniform law, then that sounds like it would be a national law and visa versa.
    Every state now has a concealed carry permit law. We are all in the same country so it should not be that difficult to make a national permit law.
    Crossing a state line should not make any difference.
    Everybody that meets the requirements would be able to get a ccw permit.
    No, the 2nd admendment does not mention concealed carry but it does say you have the right to keep and bare arms, (it does not say anything
    about how) so in my opinion it should not matter. And we should not have to pay for it. It is a right not a privilege like a drivers license.
    First of all, whose "requirements" are you talking about. Vermonts? They don't have a permit system at all. Maybe you are talking about NY's requirements? You think the people from AZ, TX, etc would go for having MORE requirements. The problem you don't see is that the 2nd Amendment is a right. All of these permit and license systems along with their requirements are infringements to that right. The real fight is to fight against the permit/licensing systems, not create a larger more bureaucratic one.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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  10. As for requirements I am meaning things like not having a criminal record, taking a safety training course and an age limit.
    Also like I said We should not have to pay for it because it is a right not a privilege like a drivers license, which has always been a privilege!
    And as far as the 2nd Admendment addressing the concealed carry, yes, I know it does not address it and that is my point, it should not matter where, when, or how we carry or (bear) our arms!
    As far as the national law it shoud be about if you have a permit in one state it should good in all states because we are all in the same country and every state should have the same right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohdah View Post
    As for requirements I am meaning things like not having a criminal record, taking a safety training course and an age limit.
    Also like I said We should not have to pay for it because it is a right not a privilege like a drivers license, which has always been a privilege!
    And as far as the 2nd Admendment addressing the concealed carry, yes, I know it does not address it and that is my point, it should not matter where, when, or how we carry or (bear) our arms!
    As far as the national law it shoud be about if you have a permit in one state it should good in all states because we are all in the same country and every state should have the same right.
    Someone with a criminal record can still carry a firearm.

    Who decides age? What state will we base the requirement from? Some states don't allow 18 year olds carry but they can join the military. I surely hope those aren't the requirements.

    I didn't have to take a safety course. Why would I want to take one now to carry a firearm? How would you purpose a required class but not have to pay for it? Nothing is free.

    Driving has always been a privilege? What was it between the years of 1776 and 1913 when America didn't have a mandatory driver's license?

    The 2A DOES address concealed carry. To keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. How is that NOT addressing it? What's your definition of bearing arms?

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