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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by ironmike86 View Post
    Would you give someone a CPL that got in trouble as a Juvenile but no felonies. And only adult crime was an Assault charge = Gross misdemeanor at the age of 22. And a speeding ticket and a reckless driving charge 3 yrs ago? So only traffic violation and an gross misdemeanor in 25 years no felonies? I mean to say 25 yrs since the assault. I'm 46 now. How far back do you look on the record? The Assault charge wasn't to bad had to do community service. Young and dumb will haunt you. TIA
    You might look into getting the convictions expunged.

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  3. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    You might look into getting the convictions expunged.
    How do you do that? I've only been waiting 2 weeks maybe to early. They have 30 days but they said it would take about 2 weeks??

  4. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex220 View Post
    Have you been waiting long for your permit? Which agency did you apply at?
    Small town Pacific. I guess they have 2 more weeks to let me know. They said it would only take 2 weeks. But with Labor day ect..

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    As everyone can see there are really no "shall issue" states. Every state that offers a CCW permit reserves the right to arbitrarily deny an applicant. Approval is at the discretion of a licensing official.

    Definitely be persistent. Have an attorney appeal this decision for you.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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    Yup but you can contest it I believe??? Dunno I'm still in my waiting month. No felonies or Domestic violence or crazy. I meet all those. :)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    As everyone can see there are really no "shall issue" states. Every state that offers a CCW permit reserves the right to arbitrarily deny an applicant. Approval is at the discretion of a licensing official.

    Definitely be persistent. Have an attorney appeal this decision for you.


    Wait, what?

    Approval is at the discretion of a licensing official

    are you joking?

    no.. that's not how it works by a long, long shot.

    If you knew how many CPLs I just had to grit my teeth and sign off on, even though the applicant was clearly a dirtbag, you'd just shake your head at the CPL system we have in WA State.


    Believe me.. there have been PLENTY of applications that have come across my desk in the years I've been doing this that I'd just rather toss in the bin and forget about.

    Their III a thick novel of their lifetime of scumbag behavior, and half decent lawyers that get what would normally be disqualifying convictions amended down to petty B.S. Misdemeanors or dismissed altogether, but still qualify, under RCW for a CPL.


    also, ironmike86, two weeks is pretty much a normal turnaround depending on the number of applications the department is dealing with at any given time. As your background (as you've mentioned), is uneventful as it pertains do CPL disqualifiers, it shouldn't take too much longer for yours to be complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex220 View Post
    Wait, what?

    Approval is at the discretion of a licensing official

    are you joking?

    no.. that's not how it works by a long, long shot.

    If you knew how many CPLs I just had to grit my teeth and sign off on, even though the applicant was clearly a dirtbag, you'd just shake your head at the CPL system we have in WA State.


    Believe me.. there have been PLENTY of applications that have come across my desk in the years I've been doing this that I'd just rather toss in the bin and forget about.

    Their III a thick novel of their lifetime of scumbag behavior, and half decent lawyers that get what would normally be disqualifying convictions amended down to petty B.S. Misdemeanors or dismissed altogether, but still qualify.
    No I'm not joking. I'm in the permit business in nearly every state and have seen numerous denials in "shall issue" states. If you've been convicted of a dangerous crime, if you're a repeat offender or mentally disturbed, you're not getting a permit in any shall issue state. Period. We have an attorney on staff to work with problem applicants and even he has not been able to get these approved. If you check your state law you'll probably find an exclusion for mentally ill or dangerous people exists. Convicted felons must obtain a certificate of relief, which is not always granted, especially where the felony was a person-on-person crime such as rape, sexual assault, assault, homicide, etc. Persons adjudicated mentally ill are not getting a permit.

    Check your state law on this:
    SHB 1923: Firearms — Possession — Concealed pistols
    Requires the denial of a concealed pistol license application when the applicant is ineligible to possess a firearm under federal law (reenacts and amends RCW 9.41.070). The applicant’s constitutional right to bear arms shall not be denied, unless he or she is ineligible to possess a firearm under the provisions of RCW 9.41.040 or RCW 9.41.045, or is prohibited from possessing a firearm under federal law. The full context of this bill in Washington can be found here --> http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/bil.../1923-S.SL.pdf

    Also check your state statutes on ineligibility --> http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.040

    (1)(a) A person, whether an adult or juvenile, is guilty of the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm in the first degree, if the person owns, has in his or her possession, or has in his or her control any firearm after having previously been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity in this state or elsewhere of any serious offense as defined in this chapter.

    2)(a) A person, whether an adult or juvenile, is guilty of the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm in the second degree, if the person does not qualify under subsection (1) of this section for the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm in the first degree and the person owns, has in his or her possession, or has in his or her control any firearm:

    (i) After having previously been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity in this state or elsewhere of any felony not specifically listed as prohibiting firearm possession under subsection (1) of this section, or any of the following crimes when committed by one family or household member against another, committed on or after July 1, 1993: Assault in the fourth degree, coercion, stalking, reckless endangerment, criminal trespass in the first degree, or violation of the provisions of a protection order or no-contact order restraining the person or excluding the person from a residence (RCW 26.50.060, 26.50.070, 26.50.130, or 10.99.040);

    No judge is required to issue a certificate of relief regarding any crime. Such must be earned. Thus one can be denied in any state that issues a permit.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

  9. Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    No I'm not joking. I'm in the permit business in nearly every state and have seen numerous denials in "shall issue" states. If you've been convicted of a dangerous crime, if you're a repeat offender or mentally disturbed, you're not getting a permit in any shall issue state. Period. We have an attorney on staff to work with problem applicants and even he has not been able to get these approved.
    You don't understand what the term "shall issue" means in regards to CCW permits. The term "shall issue" means that the issuing authority must approve the application if the applicant meets the requirements in state law for the license/permit and meets the requirements of state and Federal law for possession of a firearm.

    The restrictions that you speak of that prevent a person from being issued a CCW permit/license also happen to be Federal prohibitions on the possession of a firearm to begin with.

    You are correct, there is no state in the union where "shall issue" means that they issue a permit/license to everyone that applies.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  10. Thanks, Navy

    You saved me a long-winded reply ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex220 View Post
    Not exactly, TooCalm

    The CHARGE of a crime is meaningless when it comes to denial of a CPL. it's the CONVICTION that counts.. and ONLY the conviction.

    The facts of this case are questionable.. I'd like to know the whole story. On it's face, a CPL shouldn't have been denied, so there are some missing facts somewhere in the mix.

    and.. by the way. I am the issuer of CPLs for a major metropolitan Police Department in the Seattle region. I have seen mountains of applicants and have denied plenty... 10 seconds with his III and I'd be able to tell you...
    The CHARGE of a crime is meaningless when it comes to denial of a CPL. it's the CONVICTION that counts.. and ONLY the conviction.
    I finally got denied. 3 years after I applied. It was Not within the 90 days and there were no charges, no trial, just the mental health director Dr. Gordon Cappelletty of FamilyNet using what I told a therapist in private 15 years earlier. He accused me of possibility having a substance abuse problem. It did not matter that my criminal record was and is clean. I was Stigmatized as being mentally ill. In Catawba county NC you do not have to go to court to be adjudicated as mentally unfit, the mental health director makes that decision.

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