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  1. When you sign your Washington CPL application, you waive your rights to confidentiality when it comes to mental health background info..

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  3. #32
    So pretty much if you qualify to purchase a pistol in Wa. You pretty much can get a Cpl?? But what does "Their III" Mean? I keep hearing/reading that?? Small town One secretary who does all the work. Pretty much laid back so.... Maybe I need to call them but they said they would call me?? I thought it came in the mail? I will wait till my 30days is up. But they are suppose to notify you if denied also??

  4. The III is the NCIC Interstate Identification Index, or one's national RAP sheet. It's one of the tools we use when doing background investigations for CPLs. The disqualifiers for a State CPL and State and Federal firearm possession are pretty much the same, so if one can have a pistol transferred, they should be able to get their CPL. Keep in mind that the NICS check that is done at the time of purchase at the store isn't really all that deep. The background done at the local agency is FAR more thorough.. from mental health background checks, to digging into court dispositions that might not have made it on to one's III (due to fingerprinting or other issues) to local history checks that might reveal disqualifiers that NICS wouldn't have any way of knowing about.

    Some agencies wait the full 30 days as a policy JUST IN CASE something bounces back from say a mental health clinic check or what have you, so just because a CPL takes longer, doesn't mean that there is anything wrong or any red flags popped up.

    Also, they'll mail it out unless you asked to pick it up (depending on agency and policy) The CPL person/persons want to get them off their desks ASAP to make room for the next batch that gets dropped on them!

  5. #34
    The part I wonder about is they said it would take ~ 2 weeks and they would call. Past that 3 weeks today. Small town 6,000ppl. But not very many Police and they say they are very busy. One secretary. Doubt she's loaded with Cpl apps ???. Guess they just wanna make sure. But they also let you know if Denied? Just the wait what kills.

  6. If you don't have your CPL after 30 days, call them and ask what's up. I would suggest you read all of RCW 9.41. If they wrongfully deny your CPL, you may file for a writ of mandamus, in accordance with RCW 9.41.0975.

    Chapter 9.41 RCW: Firearms and dangerous weapons
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  7. It depends on how their setup is for proccessing the applications. Also, the end of Summer is always a busy time for gun purchase and CPL applications. AND it's a common time for department vacations.. which can cut the staff that handles the applications.

    IF it's a denial.. they'll send a form letter spelling out what the deal-breaker was. But with your record, I'm doubting it'll be denied.

  8. The way it works in Island County - the Sheriff will NOT issue the CPL until day 30. They will NOT call you. It's up to you to check up on it on day 30 or afterwards. I got chewed out on the phone for calling on day 29! :-< Absolutely no need for it to be that way, but that's the way Island County does it.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  9. Yikes..that's pretty hardcore..

    Once I'm sure my background is complete..with all t's crossed and i's dotted..I get the thing out the door..

    Sometimes they can be done from application to mail in the same day.

  10. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    The way it works in Island County - the Sheriff will NOT issue the CPL until day 30. They will NOT call you. It's up to you to check up on it on day 30 or afterwards. I got chewed out on the phone for calling on day 29! :-< Absolutely no need for it to be that way, but that's the way Island County does it.
    Ya small towns. I asked if I should call they said NO we will call you. She was kinda ..scary old lady. I will wait 31 day and call if I hear nothing :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    You don't understand what the term "shall issue" means in regards to CCW permits. The term "shall issue" means that the issuing authority must approve the application if the applicant meets the requirements in state law for the license/permit and meets the requirements of state and Federal law for possession of a firearm.

    The restrictions that you speak of that prevent a person from being issued a CCW permit/license also happen to be Federal prohibitions on the possession of a firearm to begin with.

    You are correct, there is no state in the union where "shall issue" means that they issue a permit/license to everyone that applies.
    Navy, most certainly understand "shall issue" v. "discretionary issue." I also have an attorney on staff full time. We've probably handled more permit applications than any other school. This is the mainstay of our business. There may be overlap in state/fed requirements but give me a state and I'll give you a STATE statute. most people think "shall issue" means they can't be denied. The substance of my post is to inform them this is not so.

    I picked up a client yesterday who forget to pay sales tax on a private automobile transaction. He was charged with a felony, his permit revoked and guns confiscated. The prosecutor will agree to reduce to a misdemeanor and then we must make the argument for return of his permit/guns. The guy is being treateded like a violent criminal over sales tax. Permit holders all over America are subject to crazy ruliongs and behavior by licensing agents.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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